Ford is done with making boring cars

[DeluxeStang]

3 hours ago, AM222 said:

The front passenger's and driver's legs need to go somewhere. Lol 
With a front that short, the cab and hip points would have to be as tall as the Transit's. 


This Ford teaser makes more sense...

...though it kinda reminds me of Toyota's EPU Concept.

See, that Toyota concept is almost perfect in terms of EV truck proportions. I should retract my original statement, I'd actually prefer if Ford's EV small truck looked more like that. It still has a smaller hood with a more cab forward design, but it's less polarizing looking that a full on traditional cab forward design. 

 

That Toyota design is up there with the new MR2 concept in terms of being one of only a few Toyota designs that looks good imo. 

[T-dubz]

41 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

See, that Toyota concept is almost perfect in terms of EV truck proportions. I should retract my original statement, I'd actually prefer if Ford's EV small truck looked more like that. It still has a smaller hood with a more cab forward design, but it's less polarizing looking that a full on traditional cab forward design. 

 

That Toyota design is up there with the new MR2 concept in terms of being one of only a few Toyota designs that looks good imo. 

It’s too car like in the front to get traditional truck buyers to want it. We’ve seen how that plays out with the ridgeline and the Santa Cruz. This might bring in some non traditional truck buyers, but I don’t see it moving the needle enough.

[mackinaw]

10 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

The cybertruck's wow factor wore off quickly because it's not a well designed vehicle. It's not a good practical truck, it's not a good ev. The only good thing it has going for it was the wild exterior. But they took too long to release it. The racial and bold feel wore off, and once it did, all you were left with was an ugly, poorly engineered truck....

 

Don't forget the five recalls.

[DeluxeStang]

1 hour ago, T-dubz said:

It’s too car like in the front to get traditional truck buyers to want it. We’ve seen how that plays out with the ridgeline and the Santa Cruz. This might bring in some non traditional truck buyers, but I don’t see it moving the needle enough.

But you need something with that lower, more car like front end to improve areo on these EVs. It doesn't bother me personally, that design is more attractive than any of the heavy duty trucks currently on sale with their massive grilles. I hate what they did to the new super duty front end, making the headlights bigger than the grille was a terrible design choice. 

[DeluxeStang]

24 minutes ago, mackinaw said:

 

Don't forget the five recalls.

My maverick has had like 12 recalls and I still love it 😂. It seems like with the maverick, most of the parts of beefy and durable, but the factory 12V isn't great, nor are the CV axles. But if you swap out both of those components, you should be good to go. 

[T-dubz]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

But you need something with that lower, more car like front end to improve areo on these EVs. It doesn't bother me personally, that design is more attractive than any of the heavy duty trucks currently on sale with their massive grilles. I hate what they did to the new super duty front end, making the headlights bigger than the grille was a terrible design choice. 

The Kia EV9 is about as boxy as you can get, but it has a drag coefficient of .28, which is a bit lower than the passenger car average of .3. The model Y and 3 are at .23 for reference. SUVs are usually in the .4-.5 range. I think you could get away with not having the front end like that. Change the front end, and change that ridiculously small rear door window, and it might be a decent truck.

 

I actually really like the Superduty. With the black appearance and tremor packages, it’s probably one of the best looking trucks around.

 

[Trader 10]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

My maverick has had like 12 recalls and I still love it 😂. It seems like with the maverick, most of the parts of beefy and durable, but the factory 12V isn't great, nor are the CV axles. But if you swap out both of those components, you should be good to go. 

I really like mine also. 2022 XLT all wheel drive with 67,000 trouble free miles. Only real gripe I have is the infotainment setup which is subpar. Radio periodically freezes up and lots of issues using the phone through the system. My 2011 Fusion’s Synch system was far superior. 

[Rick73]

2 hours ago, T-dubz said:

It’s too car like in the front to get traditional truck buyers to want it. We’ve seen how that plays out with the ridgeline and the Santa Cruz. This might bring in some non traditional truck buyers, but I don’t see it moving the needle enough.

Ridgeline and Santa Cruz are both FWD-based and unitized AFAIK, whereas more traditional truck buyers seem to prefer RWD-based and body on frame.  Just suggesting appearance may not be the primary reason for lack of acceptance by traditional buyers.

[DeluxeStang]

25 minutes ago, T-dubz said:

The Kia EV9 is about as boxy as you can get, but it has a drag coefficient of .28, which is a bit lower than the passenger car average of .3. The model Y and 3 are at .23 for reference. SUVs are usually in the .4-.5 range. I think you could get away with not having the front end like that. Change the front end, and change that ridiculously small rear door window, and it might be a decent truck.

 

I actually really like the Superduty. With the black appearance and tremor packages, it’s probably one of the best looking trucks around.

 

The current super duty looks better than the new heavy duty ram. But the headlights were a massive misstep.

[T-dubz]

48 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

The current super duty looks better than the new heavy duty ram. But the headlights were a massive misstep.

We can both agree on the Ram 😆

[rmc523]

1 hour ago, T-dubz said:

The Kia EV9 is about as boxy as you can get, but it has a drag coefficient of .28, which is a bit lower than the passenger car average of .3. The model Y and 3 are at .23 for reference. SUVs are usually in the .4-.5 range. I think you could get away with not having the front end like that. Change the front end, and change that ridiculously small rear door window, and it might be a decent truck.

 

I actually really like the Superduty. With the black appearance and tremor packages, it’s probably one of the best looking trucks around.

 

 

I like the look, but I do feel that the headlights are a smidge oversized.

[DeluxeStang]

3 hours ago, T-dubz said:

We can both agree on the Ram 😆

The ram design looks like a deaf person tried to explain a truck design to a blind designer and let them start sketching. 

[DeluxeStang]

7 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Ridgeline and Santa Cruz are both FWD-based and unitized AFAIK, whereas more traditional truck buyers seem to prefer RWD-based and body on frame.  Just suggesting appearance may not be the primary reason for lack of acceptance by traditional buyers.

The issue with the Ridgeline is unless I'm mistaken, it's more expensive than a lot of its midsized BOF rivals, but less capable. So you're paying more for less. The transmissions are also apparently very unreliable. The sante Cruz would be a great truck if the maverick didn't exist. I get the impression Hyundai knew they were screwed once the maverick specs came out. 

[Rick73]

36 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

The issue with the Ridgeline is unless I'm mistaken, it's more expensive than a lot of its midsized BOF rivals, but less capable. So you're paying more for less. The transmissions are also apparently very unreliable. The sante Cruz would be a great truck if the maverick didn't exist. I get the impression Hyundai knew they were screwed once the maverick specs came out. 

Maverick is a great vehicle, however, I personally consider “traditional” truck buyers as those who are more likely to drive around in 4X4 F-250, and doubt many of them would consider Maverick a real truck.  Ridgeline is more capable than Maverick and I also doubt most traditional truck buyers take it seriously as well.  Just a personal opinion based on having been around pickup trucks and truck guys most of my life.  I really like Maverick, but think it’s comparing apples and oranges.

[akirby]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

The issue with the Ridgeline is unless I'm mistaken, it's more expensive than a lot of its midsized BOF rivals, but less capable. So you're paying more for less. The transmissions are also apparently very unreliable. The sante Cruz would be a great truck if the maverick didn't exist. I get the impression Hyundai knew they were screwed once the maverick specs came out. 

Ridgeline is for Honda owners who want a pickup.  Keeps them in a Honda instead of a Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Ram or GM.  Any appeal other than that is gravy.

[HotRunrGuy]

6 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Maverick is a great vehicle, however, I personally consider “traditional” truck buyers as those who are more likely to drive around in 4X4 F-250, and doubt many of them would consider Maverick a real truck.  Ridgeline is more capable than Maverick and I also doubt most traditional truck buyers take it seriously as well.  Just a personal opinion based on having been around pickup trucks and truck guys most of my life.  I really like Maverick, but think it’s comparing apples and oranges.

 

I'm on my 3rd Maverick, so a little more invested than most. The surprising thing to me is how many people who buy Mavericks aren't buying it because of it's capabilities, they're buying the Hybrids solely because of the mpg's.  Hybrids, even with the (current) FWD only and lower tow rating, outsell the more-capable (AWD & towing) 2.0EB version.  With the MY25's offering Hybrid AWD and 4K towing, there's almost no need for the 2.0 powertrain anymore.

 

VIN # wise, incoming units are over 182K for the MY24, so after a slow start, Ford has really ramped up production.

 

HRG

[Rick73]

13 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said:

 

I'm on my 3rd Maverick, so a little more invested than most. The surprising thing to me is how many people who buy Mavericks aren't buying it because of it's capabilities, they're buying the Hybrids solely because of the mpg's.  Hybrids, even with the (current) FWD only and lower tow rating, outsell the more-capable (AWD & towing) 2.0EB version.  With the MY25's offering Hybrid AWD and 4K towing, there's almost no need for the 2.0 powertrain anymore.

 

VIN # wise, incoming units are over 182K for the MY24, so after a slow start, Ford has really ramped up production.

 

HRG

AWD and 4k towing should indeed improve hybrid sales even more.  It will be interesting to see what happens to 2L EB sales, particularly if Ford also upgrades hybrid power output in future.  I want a smaller van for my next vehicle, and the AWD Maverick hybrid drivetrain sounds near perfect for my needs.  I’m looking forward to see more on rumored Maverick-based van though I may not be able to wait that long.

[rmc523]

2 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said:

 

I'm on my 3rd Maverick, so a little more invested than most. The surprising thing to me is how many people who buy Mavericks aren't buying it because of it's capabilities, they're buying the Hybrids solely because of the mpg's.  Hybrids, even with the (current) FWD only and lower tow rating, outsell the more-capable (AWD & towing) 2.0EB version.  With the MY25's offering Hybrid AWD and 4K towing, there's almost no need for the 2.0 powertrain anymore.

 

VIN # wise, incoming units are over 182K for the MY24, so after a slow start, Ford has really ramped up production.

 

HRG

 

I think Maverick appeals to a broader audience (not just truck owners) because it's efficient and more practical than a sedan

[DeluxeStang]

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

I think Maverick appeals to a broader audience (not just truck owners) because it's efficient and more practical than a sedan

It's a doorway into truck utility without having to pay the truck tax. I have a truck bed now, but I'm not getting 12 mpg or having to pay 2 grand for maintenance items every so often. 

[akirby]

4 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

It's a doorway into truck utility without having to pay the truck tax. I have a truck bed now, but I'm not getting 12 mpg or having to pay 2 grand for maintenance items every so often. 

My F150 gets 21-25 mpg depending on speed, has a 6.5 ft bed can tow 11k lbs and has 470 lb/ft.  Maintenance is exactly the same as a Maverick.  Only big compromises are price and size when parking.

[DeluxeStang]

22 minutes ago, akirby said:

My F150 gets 21-25 mpg depending on speed, has a 6.5 ft bed can tow 11k lbs and has 470 lb/ft.  Maintenance is exactly the same as a Maverick.  Only big compromises are price and size when parking.

Aren't maintenance items like tires, brakes, batteries, suspension components, that sort of thing more expensive on larger trucks? The maverick seems to have maintenance and repair costs that are pretty comparable to economy cars like the civic and Corolla. 

 

I can't speak on the maintenance costs for an f-150, but I have some family members who own newish heavy duty trucks. They like their trucks a lot, but that is something they mention a lot, the fluid changes, the basic maintenance items, it all adds up a lot more than with smaller, cheaper vehicles. 

Edited October 18 by DeluxeStang

[akirby]

1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:

Aren't maintenance items like tires, brakes, batteries, suspension components, that sort of thing more expensive on larger trucks? The maverick seems to have maintenance and repair costs that are pretty comparable to economy cars like the civic and Corolla. 

 

I can't speak on the maintenance costs for an f-150, but I have some family members who own newish heavy duty trucks. They like their trucks a lot, but that is something they mention a lot, the fluid changes, the basic maintenance items, it all adds up a lot more than with smaller, cheaper vehicles. 

For super duty diesel trucks it is more maintenance or if you’re actually towing a lot.  My tires were $400 more but that’s every 5 years for me.  The rest is negligible on a street driven F150.

[Sherminator98]

Yeah heavy duty trucks with diesel engines are more expensive to maintain but a light duty F-150 or the like shouldn't be any more then a sedan or SUV, within reason. 

[Rick73]

17 hours ago, akirby said:

My F150 gets 21-25 mpg depending on speed, has a 6.5 ft bed can tow 11k lbs and has 470 lb/ft.  Maintenance is exactly the same as a Maverick.  Only big compromises are price and size when parking.

Yes, price a big difference, but why not gas also if comparing to Hybrid Maverick which almost cuts fuel costs in half?  Would guess compared to initial cost and gas that maintenance cost difference is negligible. 

[akirby]

3 hours ago, Rick73 said:

Yes, price a big difference, but why not gas also if comparing to Hybrid Maverick which almost cuts fuel costs in half?  Would guess compared to initial cost and gas that maintenance cost difference is negligible. 

The difference is about $75/month in fuel so for me that’s not significant.