bzcat Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 6 hours ago, Harley Lover said: @bzcat, can it also be inferred that, if we assume Ford's supply of hybrid-specific parts has some sort of volume limitation, that Ford have made the determination based on your comments that those hybrid-specific parts would be better utilized on higher profit products, specifically Maverick and Bronco Sport? I think we can infer that Escape hybrid and PHEV are not profitable or not profitable enough for Farley's liking. 2 hours ago, akirby said: Would a similar sized EV offset CAFE? Yes. EV is calculated using MPGe which is a multiplier. Getting rid of Escape but introducing Explorer Sport (EV) for example is probably overall a positive CAFE move. The issue is that Ford had scraped all its EV for the US market - first the Explorer Sport MEB was scuttled. And then the big Explorer GE2 was cancelled. The "low cost" TE1 based EV won't arrive for a while. So Farley rather just not sell anything to stay complaint with CAFE. Basically any model is expandable unless they are tied to the "Iconic 4": F-Series, Mustang, Bronco, Transit. Edited January 31 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 That's right Ford. Get rid of Philco, farm tractor, class 8 truck, Taurus, Fusion, Escape. Ford is just an emasculated, emaciated shell of a company losing billions on EV's! But on a lighter note: I was reading an article here in CT about some official abusing his usage of a State of CT vehicle that the reporter referred to as an Escapade! I emailed the editor and explained it's either an Escape or an Escalade, and it turned out to be an Escape. But what a great name for a new Ford SUV! Do you think GM would file a lawsuit over one lousy letter change? Maybe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, Joe771476 said: That's right Ford. Get rid of Philco...... Philco? Really? They got rid of Philco in 1974. 99% of the people on this forum have no idea what Philco is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Philco? Really? They got rid of Philco in 1974. 99% of the people on this forum have no idea what Philco is. When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor…… 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearheadGrrrl Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 We ain't that young... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, bzcat said: The issue is that Ford had scraped all its EV for the US market - first the Explorer Sport MEB was scuttled. And then the big Explorer GE2 was cancelled. The "low cost" TE1 based EV won't arrive for a while. So Farley rather just not sell anything to stay complaint with CAFE. Basically any model is expandable unless they are tied to the "Iconic 4": F-Series, Mustang, Bronco, Transit. I'm thinking that maybe Louisville might go down next year for retooling and not open up again till late 2026 with a 2027 launch of a new EV? That would fit the CE1 EV timing. Of course if they are still doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I read the article, I'm skeptical that Ford is dropping the ICE Escape. They may move production elsewhere instead. (Cuautitlan?) The article was conjecture based solely on the pending conversion of LAP to make EVs. My skepticism is based on two things. One, I think an insider here confirmed a month or so ago(?) that there would be another generation of ICE Escape. Two a similar (or the same) source linked in the OP said last week said that Ford was discontinuing the Lightning. Autoline Daily mentioned that story. The Lightning being cancelled story was based on the fact that the next ICE F150 due in 2027 won't have an EV version. Of course, the next F150 Lightning won't be based on the ICE F150... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, AGR said: I read the article, I'm skeptical that Ford is dropping the ICE Escape. They may move production elsewhere instead. (Cuautitlan?) The article was conjecture based solely on the pending conversion of LAP to make EVs. My skepticism is based on two things. One, I think an insider here confirmed a month or so ago(?) that there would be another generation of ICE Escape. Two a similar (or the same) source linked in the OP said last week said that Ford was discontinuing the Lightning. Autoline Daily mentioned that story. The Lightning being cancelled story was based on the fact that the next ICE F150 due in 2027 won't have an EV version. Of course, the next F150 Lightning won't be based on the ICE F150... T3 replaces Lightning. Quote That list is led by the Ford Escape at the moment, which has long been rumored to be on the chopping block. A couple of years ago, Farley stated that “we’re going to have passion brands; we’re not going to have commodity products like Edges and Escapes. Mustangs and Broncos…good stuff.” However, last February, Farley also praised the Escape, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, GearheadGrrrl said: We ain't that young... I'm 30, then again, I do feel old some days 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 41 minutes ago, AGR said: I read the article, I'm skeptical that Ford is dropping the ICE Escape. They may move production elsewhere instead. (Cuautitlan?) The article was conjecture based solely on the pending conversion of LAP to make EVs. My skepticism is based on two things. One, I think an insider here confirmed a month or so ago(?) that there would be another generation of ICE Escape. Two a similar (or the same) source linked in the OP said last week said that Ford was discontinuing the Lightning. Autoline Daily mentioned that story. The Lightning being cancelled story was based on the fact that the next ICE F150 due in 2027 won't have an EV version. Of course, the next F150 Lightning won't be based on the ICE F150... I believe it was ExplorerDude who said there was a new escape, or equivalent model, in development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: I believe it was ExplorerDude who said there was a new escape, or equivalent model, in development. If it was that poster, they're the most 'insider' of anyone on this forum, that would be very credible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, DeluxeStang said: I believe it was ExplorerDude who said there was a new escape, or equivalent model, in development. Yes but it’s a BEV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, Sherminator98 said: I'm thinking that maybe Louisville might go down next year for retooling and not open up again till late 2026 with a 2027 launch of a new EV? That would fit the CE1 EV timing. Of course if they are still doing that. No one knows... Ford changes its plan 3 times a day it seems. Based on previous reports, CE1 is probably a small pickup truck and CUV (i.e. next gen Maverick and Bronco Sport). Maybe Ford will build the EV CE1 version in Louisville and keep the ICE C2 version in production in Hermosillo. Ford will need to replace the Mach E eventually too on CE1 since GE2 is cancelled. So that brings Cuautitlan into the picture too. How many CE1 plants does Ford need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 So this came out today....so Farley is saying they're retooling a factory soon, so connecting some dots, it does seem like ExplorerDude's comments are accurate. Jim Farley Hints At Ford Escape Plant's Upcoming EV Retooling “We have a really exciting platform that our team in California has developed. We’re now doing all the industrialization,” Farley told Yahoo Finance in a recent interview. “We quoted 50 percent of the parts… We’re retooling the factory soon. And, that whole new lineup of commercial and small, affordable EVs will be coming out from Ford in a couple of years.” Farley is referring to the skunkworks team within Ford that’s been developing a low-cost EV platform over the past couple of years, which is currently slated to underpin a mid-size pickup first, followed by other models including – potentially – a crossover and ride-share vehicle. Back in November 2023, a future product roadmap indicated that production of the Ford Escape and Lincoln Corsair would be replaced by an EV at Louisville as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 22 hours ago, rmc523 said: And, that whole new lineup of commercial and small, affordable EVs will be coming out from Ford in a couple of years.” I highlighted 'commercial' - does this sound like a Ford Pro version of the EV chassis will be offered - perhaps in both pickup and maybe even small commercial van (ala Transit Connect) form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Just now, Harley Lover said: I highlighted 'commercial' - does this sound like a Ford Pro version of the EV chassis will be offered - perhaps in both pickup and maybe even small commercial van (ala Transit Connect) form? There has been rumors about Maverick based transit connect replacement coming, so that would make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Previous discussions on Maverick-based van for the most part assumed ICE or Hybrid powertrains IIRC. Is a BEV variant now also rumored? I thought commercial EV van was to be larger than normal, more like Rivian or BrightDrop in size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 hours ago, Rick73 said: Previous discussions on Maverick-based van for the most part assumed ICE or Hybrid powertrains IIRC. Is a BEV variant now also rumored? I thought commercial EV van was to be larger than normal, more like Rivian or BrightDrop in size. Reread the quote posted by rmc523 - the BEV is not 'rumored', it appears to be stated in the part of the statement I quoted. I hadn't heard that before, which is why I highlighted it for discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick73 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 58 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Reread the quote posted by rmc523 - the BEV is not 'rumored', it appears to be stated in the part of the statement I quoted. I hadn't heard that before, which is why I highlighted it for discussion. What’s not clear to me is if the “commercial” BEV van has anything to do with Maverick-based van. They could be two completely different vehicles, with Maverick-based van built in Mexico for all we know. I recall mention of a BEV commercial van a long time ago, much before rumors of a Maverick-based van. That’s not to say Maverick-based van may not also offer a BEV option. I’m questioning if we are discussing one or two vehicles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 15 minutes ago, Rick73 said: What’s not clear to me is if the “commercial” BEV van has anything to do with Maverick-based van. They could be two completely different vehicles, with Maverick-based van built in Mexico for all we know. I recall mention of a BEV commercial van a long time ago, much before rumors of a Maverick-based van. That’s not to say Maverick-based van may not also offer a BEV option. I’m questioning if we are discussing one or two vehicles. Agree, I took the mention of the 'commercial' EV (in the context of skunk works products apparently destined for Louisville) to be something distinct from any Maverick-based product (which presumably would be built in Mexico). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/30/2025 at 7:44 PM, akirby said: When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor…… 😂 Funny. Oh and I forgot Ford bought Volvo for $6 billion, Jag/LR for $2 billion, spent another 2 billion revamping and modernizing the assembly plants, then sold them to Geely and Tata respectively for a total of $2 billion! All for shareholder value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 11 hours ago, Joe771476 said: Funny. Oh and I forgot Ford bought Volvo for $6 billion, Jag/LR for $2 billion, spent another 2 billion revamping and modernizing the assembly plants, then sold them to Geely and Tata respectively for a total of $2 billion! All for shareholder value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was better than keeping J/LR with fast approaching $8 billion bill for next product cycle vehicles. It was far less costly to let them go but recover by selling engines to them for the next ten years.. Volvo and Mazda were a terrible loss for Ford, those two brads added a lot of technical expertise in regards vehicle design and affordability. By the end, Mulally got his way and made sure that Ford sold them to simplify its business. Edited February 3 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2025 at 8:42 AM, Harley Lover said: Reread the quote posted by rmc523 - the BEV is not 'rumored', it appears to be stated in the part of the statement I quoted. I hadn't heard that before, which is why I highlighted it for discussion. Thanks for pointing that out, I focused on the former part of that, and missed that next sentence. On 2/1/2025 at 7:47 PM, Rick73 said: Previous discussions on Maverick-based van for the most part assumed ICE or Hybrid powertrains IIRC. Is a BEV variant now also rumored? I thought commercial EV van was to be larger than normal, more like Rivian or BrightDrop in size. Definitely sounds like there could be a BEV van in there unless they're slotting the BEV 'midsize' truck as a (partial) commercial designation? 4 hours ago, jpd80 said: Was better than keeping J/LR with fast approaching $8 billion bill for next product cycle vehicles. It was far less costly to let them go but recover by selling engines to them for the next ten years.. Volvo and Mazda were a terrible loss for Ford, those two brads added a lot of technical expertise in regards vehicle design and affordability. By the end, Mulally got his way and made sure that Ford sold them to simplify its business. Volvo and Mazda were also much more integrated with the rest of the lineup, whereas JLR was completely unrelated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: Volvo and Mazda were also much more integrated with the rest of the lineup, whereas JLR was completely unrelated. The Lincoln LS and Jaguar X-Type would like a word. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Harley Lover said: The Lincoln LS and Jaguar X-Type would like a word. Sure, but JLR was kicking and screaming with those, and they were essentially one-offs. When they were sold, LS (and Thunderbird) was gone, and X-type was on its way out the door. Ford/Mazda shared CD3 for Fusion/Edge/6/CX-7, and Volvo shared across multiple models with the upcoming FWD models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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