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By twintornados · Posted
Gen 4 Explorer was BoF and rode and drove just fine....Dodge Durango, Lexus LX, Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner, a few choices of BoF that are refined to today's riding standard. Unibody design certainly gives a more sedan like ride, but modern suspension geometries make it a moot point. From a pure weight saving mode, unibody and giga-cast are the way to go....again, it was just "a crazy thought". -
I don't hate that, either, but it'd be lost in a Lincoln showroom amidst al the others CUVs/SUVs. I think that a real "Rover fighter" would need to have a more muscuar, truckike appearance to differentiate itself from its float-boat cousins.
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Everest price range $45K to $80K is fine. About in line with 4Runner and Bronco. Although worth pointing out Ranger Raptor is only $57K... a bargain really. This may explain why Ford is interested in a Bronco pickup - the name change could help it get higher MSRP. Lincoln price range should be $65K to $100K. Navigator starts at $92K so the top version of Lincoln T6 should eclipse the cheapest Navigator. Some competitor MSRP range for comparison: Lexus GX $67K to $85K Land Rover Defender 110: $64K to $150K (the Octa MSRP is way up there but the main range tops out around $115K Rivian R1S $79K to $128K Mercedes G-Wagen $148K to infinity... The G-Wagen MSRP is clearly the outlier but the upcoming "baby G" will be in the same price range as the other. "baby G" is probably a misnomer since it is supposedly not that different in size, just cheaper - like Ranger Rover vs. Defender.
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I'm ... not hating this. I asked Gemini to turn the Everest into a Lincoln. Ascender is a Mitsubishi name. Ford Authority brought up calling it the Navigator Sport. I suspect that would lead to some confusion over naming, which is why the MK-whatever names went away. I know I fight the whole "Bronco Sport vs Bronco" issue on the regular here. Adventurer? Wellerman? A couple ship names. Sentinel? Lincoln concept car. Leland? For founder Henry Leland.
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More weight and less efficiency too.
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By DeluxeStang · Posted
IDK, moving explorer back to a BoF vehicle would hurt some of the refinement it has in terms of ride and driving characteristics. The explorer should continue to elevate itself to compete with products like the telluride instead of going backwards to chase the more rugged feel. When they moved the explorer to the unibody setup with the 5th gen, it just instantly made the explorer into a more premium feeling product, they drive so much better than most of the older explorers I've been in. I don't want to see them walk that back. -
By DeluxeStang · Posted
You hit the nail on the head. I feel like not all, and I just want to emphasize that it's not all, but a lot of older people are one side or the other, and that's just not how those of us who are younger think. I've seen a lot of older people think if you're critical of capitalism, it means you support and like communism, and that's just not the case. I can love certain things about capitalism, I believe the free market is the greatest human invention ever when it comes to encouraging innovation and advancement. But that being said, I can still not like certain aspects of late stage capitalism right now. Doesn't mean I suddenly want our nation to become communist, it just means I want to be critical of the system because I want to see it improve. Life isn't black and white, it's shades of grey. -
Not crazy especially when mustang sedan stays on current coupe platform.
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By twintornados · Posted
Capitalism without regulation is the issue - and why the billionaire class rallies against regulations of any type with all their might. Communism and Socialism are not the answer either...there needs to be a balance to find a way to spur the growth of Capitalism while providing the safety net of Social programs to protect those without. -
By twintornados · Posted
Here is a crazy thought...with the introduction of a T6 based Lincoln, maybe Ford has ideas for canning the entire CD6 chassis era and just bring the T6 fully into the North American market to also replace CD6 Explorer and Aviator....CD6 is already an orphaned chassis that underpins just one line whereas T6 can be used moving forward for a "new" product in both 5 seat (Edge/Nautilus) and 7 seat (Explorer/Aviator) on an extended chassis configuration. CAP can then be reused to produce other lines after a rebuild, transformed into a production center for supplying other plants, turned into a joint venture for a Chinese company or just shuttered all together as consolidation continues at Ford. Like I said, just a crazy thought....
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