That Fairmont steering wheel is luxurious compared to the 1982 Ford Escort I started out with but I can't find a picture of it.  Just a slab of cheaply molded black plastic.

Yeah, I knew the minivans are on a more stretched out timeline.....didn't realize the Odyssey was that old for the origins of this generation.   Looks like the previous gen Sienna went 10 years between redesigns.

Hmmm.....interesting.  Might have to try it at some point.     Well, we have to assume they're doing that type of thing.   I also don't expect it to be some hard-core offroad machine.  More like the models we've been discussing - Defender, Range Rover, G-class, GX, etc - where they're definitely capable off road, but we all know they'll be driven on-road, and have a smooth drive there too.   I also think at some point that Lincoln needs to push a bit outside of "Lincoln customers" and actually work to grow the brand.  I'm not saying to scrap what they have and start over, but they can push the envelope a bit to expand their customer base beyond what they have now.

As I think about this, I started thinking about Lincoln's clientelle. Are off-road chops something the average Lincoln buyer wants? I get wanting to go up against Range Rover and the G-Wagon for sure. There's buyers there to be poached. But... I'm thinking the right approach is to borrow the process that developed the Bronco itself. Start with the competing vehicle owners. Ask what they do and don't like about their vehicles. Any must haves or must dos? Any cardinal sins from the other brands that could be fixed on the Lincoln Logger (no, let's not call it that) before it goes into production?

Yep...Ford did not know where to position the divisions...Should've been Ford, Mercury, Edsel, Lincoln, Continental....but they kept jockeying for position in the pricing...

For what it's worth, the current Honda Odyssey has been on the market since the 2018 model year. Interestingly, sales bottomed out in 2022, and have been increasing since then. 

Yep, that was the idea.  Ford was going to follow the GM model with several different divisions.  Chrysler did the same thing too.  Didn't work, as we know.  

I guess that's true.

So was Edsel....

When I do an oil change - afterward, I just dump the used oil into the recently emptied container I just poured the fresh oil from. I drop the whole thing off - they ask if there is anything mixed into it, "Nope" and away I go.