RichardJensen Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 And by those standards you could call just about any car a copy of any other car. Not necessarily---I didn't say 'copy of 747', 'copy of 757', 'copy of 707', 'copy of 727', I said 'copy of 737'. The A320 has almost the same passenger carrying capabilities and range as the 737, was intended to compete with the 737 for the same customers, and as mentioned before has the same engine configuration as the 737 and came out -after- the 737. Perhaps not a copy in the strictest sense of the word (I believe I was being as sarcastic then as I typically am), but quite obviously 'inspired by.....' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Seat belt reminders - we have them over here in AUS to improve crash scores. My wife placed a heavy bag on the passenger seat drove off and triggered the seat belt alarm. She didn't know what the beeping was and what she did wrong until I explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Okay, fine, the plane that is the same size as the 737 with the same engine configuration as the 737 that was launched after the 737. Airbus's fueslage offers better containerised cargo/baggage not not slow pallet loaded freight & how many 737's have IAE V2500 fitted Richard? Boeing's 737 was designed to use JT8's not CFM56's, Boeing's CFM56 engine has got no ground clearance despite it's flat bottomed mouse shape , suffers more problems with objects getting ingested into its engines something the Airbus does not suffer problems with it because has proper ground clearances. Boeing 737 is a great little workhorse one of my favourites but it needs updating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Seat belt reminders - we have them over here in AUS to improve crash scores.My wife placed a heavy bag on the passenger seat drove off and triggered the seat belt alarm. She didn't know what the beeping was and what she did wrong until I explained. Reminds me of the first holiday we had in Florida JDP, we hired a Pontiac Grand Am what a nightmare it was like the starship enterprise. My Capri & Escort only has 5 switches and a few warning lights, the Pontiac had about 60 switches & buttons just on the arm rest & a bank of about 50 warning lights on the dash. I thought this is going to take a week out of my vacation just to learn what it all does. I got the engine going after about half an hour after l figured out my daughters suitcase on the back seat didnot have its seatbelt on so it would not let me start the car. Why do they pack so much crap into modern cars it all adds to the costs, weight & more things that can go wrong why not just keep it simple.. Edited January 24, 2009 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It didn't have a filler? THe point he's making is some cars have it on the drivers side and others have it on the passenger side...never quite figured out why didn't all have it on the Drivers side. I dated a girl who said she would never buy a car that didn't have the filler on the drivers side...go figure...and we dont even have to pump our own Gas lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It didn't have a filler? He forgot to look at the arrow by the gas gauge that tells him what side the filler if on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 He forgot to look at the arrow by the gas gauge that tells him what side the filler if on. That doesn't always exist. One of my Ford vehicles had it, one didn't. Which further points out the inconsistencies of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Airbus's fueslage offers better containerised cargo/baggage not not slow pallet loaded freight & how many 737's have IAE V2500 fitted Richard? Boeing's 737 was designed to use JT8's not CFM56's, Boeing's CFM56 engine has got no ground clearance despite it's flat bottomed mouse shape , suffers more problems with objects getting ingested into its engines something the Airbus does not suffer problems with it because has proper ground clearances. Boeing 737 is a great little workhorse one of my favourites but it needs updating. I don't recall a mechanically sound 737 jet flying itself into a forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefstang Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I'll one up that....the ENTIRE Mini interior layout...its an ergonomic nightmare that is only conquered thru trial error and hands on....shite is all over the place.....the hood release is in the PASSENGERS footwell!!!!!!! Designed as a right hand drive and poorly converted over for the states. As for features that I hate: Foreign badges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I don't recall a mechanically sound 737 jet flying itself into a forest. I think Airbus blamed that one on the pilot error, the 737 is not as perfect like you seem to think it is you could bring up 737 rudder PCA servo's, both the 737 and small Airbus's both have outstanding safety records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 THe point he's making is some cars have it on the drivers side and others have it on the passenger side...never quite figured out why didn't all have it on the Drivers side. I dated a girl who said she would never buy a car that didn't have the filler on the drivers side...go figure...and we dont even have to pump our own Gas lol So you're in New Jersey or Oregon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 He's in Jersey. Crazy ol' 10th Amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewq4b Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Fords, no cruise cancel. You have to turn it off or hit the brakes. How that an issue ? Usally if you want the cruise off it is cause your slowing down. Do not know about you but I use the brakes to slow down. And even then it is no big deal to lighty tap them to shut it off. Ford has the best Cruise Control on the market. Mind you they were the first to have it. SO they should have the best. Speaking of Cruise crusie control buttons that are NOT on the steering wheel. Some vehicles with all the crap on the stalks it is ridiculous. A stalk for the turn signal one for the wipers one for the head lights and then the Tilt It is like driving a freaken a octopuss by the head. Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 How that an issue ? Usally if you want the cruise off it is cause your slowing down. Do not know about you but I use the brakes to slow down. And even then it is no big deal to lighty tap them to shut it off. Ford has the best Cruise Control on the market. Mind you they were the first to have it. SO they should have the best. Speaking of Cruise crusie control buttons that are NOT on the steering wheel. Some vehicles with all the crap on the stalks it is ridiculous. A stalk for the turn signal one for the wipers one for the head lights and then the Tilt It is like driving a freaken a octopuss by the head. Matthew Cruise control on a stalk. There is no excuse for that in a car. Unless you bought an aftermarket system. Nothing like trying to make five very different functions seem intuitive with a stalk. Geez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 speaking of cruise control, my first trip to the USA in 1993, I hired a Corsica with 3.0 V6 and ABS. Driving down the 5 in LA I came on traffic and touched the brakes thinking the cruise would drop off, The flaming thing kicked down to second and nearly drove the Datsun pick up in front of me. Scary cars, some of those GM...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 He's in Jersey. Crazy ol' 10th Amendment. But I have a place (where I work) where I have to pump my own gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syrtran Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Over 140 posts and nobody mentioned the ridiculous all-inclusive-tell-you-nothing Check Engine light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I do like Fords method of placing the cruise control functions on the left of the steering wheel...I can't deal with all them stalks. Toyotas systems of that mini-stalk is the worst one I've encountered. With Fords system, my hand is usually at the 7-10 0'clock position so I dont have to move my hand much. With Toyota mounting on the mini-stalk on the right side, I gotta use a complete hand up, to adjust and then figure out HOW to adjust because it's not like you can read the stalk at night since it's not lite either. I feel like Helen Keller figuring it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Try a Peugeot. Seemed to work OK for Ray Charles in his 306. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Personally I hate the Tire pressure monitor. For some reason people think that since its a warning light now, that they are incapable of checking the air pressure in their tires. We get customers that come in all the time with low tire warning light and want us to check it and fill the tires for free. If these customers would come in for regular service intervals, then the tire pressure would be checked and adjusted. Most of them go to Goober lube and then want us to fill the tires up. I know its a safety feature, but it has turned into a hassle for the service department. When they come in, we ask "have you checked your tire pressure?" they always say no why should I do that. What in the world did people do before all these electonic nannies. Lord forbid anyone have to take responsibility for their car's maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Over 140 posts and nobody mentioned the ridiculous all-inclusive-tell-you-nothing Check Engine light? Think "scan tool" or do you expect the screen to display P0302, P0174 etc? Personally I hate the Tire pressure monitor. For some reason people think that since its a warning light now, that they are incapable of checking the air pressure in their tires. We get customers that come in all the time with low tire warning light and want us to check it and fill the tires for free. If these customers would come in for regular service intervals, then the tire pressure would be checked and adjusted. Most of them go to Goober lube and then want us to fill the tires up. I know its a safety feature, but it has turned into a hassle for the service department. When they come in, we ask "have you checked your tire pressure?" they always say no why should I do that. What in the world did people do before all these electonic nannies. Lord forbid anyone have to take responsibility for their car's maintenance. Agreed, at my last dealership we had several people upset and claiming warranty when all it needed was a little air in the tire. Another biggie in Minnesota was people leaving the engine running during the winter while filling their gas tank. In both instances we would inform the customer of WHY the light was on and this was a one shot freebie come back again with the same problem and we will have to charge you, most understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Harbinger Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Cruise control on a stalk. There is no excuse for that in a car. Unless you bought an aftermarket system. Nothing like trying to make five very different functions seem intuitive with a stalk. Geez. I'm not a fan of wheel mounted controls - it seems too easy to hit the wrong button. With a stalk, everything is a direction, and a logical direction at that - you never have to look at it to be sure of what you're hitting. Wanna accelerate? Bump it up, no thought necessary. Edited January 25, 2009 by Noah Harbinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I'm not a fan of wheel mounted controls - it seems too easy to hit the wrong button. With a stalk, everything is a direction, and a logical direction at that - you never have to look at it to be sure of what you're hitting. Wanna accelerate? Bump it up, no thought necessary. I disagree. I love not having to take my hands off the wheel to set the cruise, adjust the volume or temp. Once you get used to the placement of the buttons, it's pretty easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLLMTR Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I would never again buy a car with a: 1) Coth interior. When I think back all the sex and vaginal secretions left on the upholstry of my old Mustang, I would never buy another vehicle with cloth interior. There are some stains that Febreeze just can't mask. 2) Manual only headlight switches. In the age of automatic sensors, automatic headlamps should be standard on every car. 3) Convertable top that can only go down when the car is at a dead stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 I'm not a fan of wheel mounted controls - it seems too easy to hit the wrong button. With a stalk, everything is a direction, and a logical direction at that - you never have to look at it to be sure of what you're hitting. Wanna accelerate? Bump it up, no thought necessary. Not sure about the current wheel mounted controls, but for the previous generation, it was easy: accel was the top button, coast was the bottom button, and to make it even simpler, the accel button is convex and the coast button is concave, just like the convex on and concave off buttons on the other side of the wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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