92merc Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/autos/consumer_reports_lexus_gx460/index.htm?hpt=T2 GX 460 SUV is unsafe, even with electronic stability controls. Surprised CR had the balls to put that label on a Toyota. They haven't used this severe label since the Mistubishi Montero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/13/autos/consumer_reports_lexus_gx460/index.htm?hpt=T2 GX 460 SUV is unsafe, even with electronic stability controls. Surprised CR had the balls to put that label on a Toyota. They haven't used this severe label since the Mistubishi Montero. You beat me to it. Consumer Reports has given the Lexus GX460 a rare ''Don't Buy'' warning, saying a problem that occurred during routine handling tests could lead the SUV to roll over in real-world driving. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/13/business/AP-US-Toyota-Consumer-Reports.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I wonder if the Consumer Reports test drivers are old people? :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Wow! When did Toyota stop giving CR the bribe money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Wow! When did Toyota stop giving CR the bribe money? They had to divert it to the 0% financing sales blitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 They had to divert it to the 0% financing sales blitz. You're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 You're right. Is it a vehicle design issue or simply a matter of "readjusting" the software for the systems that keep the vehicle upright in such situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W. Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I wonder if the Consumer Reports test drivers are old people? :D LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97svtgoin05gt Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 You HAVE to LOVE these Fkin Toyota lovers. For years CR was THE BIBLE because it lauded every product that came from their beloved Toyota no matter what it was. Now, the shoe is on the other foot and suddenly "clearly the magazine is trying to further bury Toyota". HA!!! I LOVE IT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Ouch, I guess the President of Consumers Report wife will not get a promotion when she heads into her Toyota office this morning.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 My link Heres the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 My link Heres the video Wow. Someone who didn't know to steer in the direction the rear wheels were sliding (ie almost all drivers) would have rolled that thing in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) Is it a vehicle design issue or simply a matter of "readjusting" the software for the systems that keep the vehicle upright in such situations? Vehicle design flaw all the way. The SUV was designed with too much front end bite. The rear end slides out indicating the vehicle was designed with too much oversteer. In NASCAR this is known as a loose condition. Loose is fast in a race car. The problem is most automotive consumers (especially anyone stupid enough to buy a Toyota) lack basic driving skills and certainly do not have the ability to truely drive a vehicle. That is why manufacturers are forced to add electronics to said vehicles to help do the driving for you. Edited April 13, 2010 by 8A4RE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggs32 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 What really struck me as odd is that the stability control system took too long to react and correct the oversteer. Toyota vehicles have been criticized for overactive stability control systems in the recent past so is this their idea of making their vehicles more "fun to drive" as their CEO eluded to a month or so ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 NASCAR this is known as a lose condition. Lose is fast in a race car. Lose means you don't win. Loose is the term you were looking for.... Tight = understeer = front end hits the wall Loose = oversteer = back end hits the wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Lose means you don't win. Loose is the term you were looking for.... Tight = understeer = front end hits the wall Loose = oversteer = back end hits the wall I started out using loose and it didn't look right. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 So they softened the threshold of stability control kicking in because they wanted the driver to have more fun driving their vehicle? Well... A) Someone buying a Lexus is probably NOT being it for fun, or drive in a fun way B) You have fun in a coupe, convertible, something with sporting abilities, not a big box. Geesh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8A4RE Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) So they softened the threshold of stability control kicking in because they wanted the driver to have more fun driving their vehicle? Well... A) Someone buying a Lexus is probably NOT being it for fun, or drive in a fun way B) You have fun in a coupe, convertible, something with sporting abilities, not a big box. Geesh.... Oh come on, who doesn't take the family SUV out to the local dirt oval once in a while? :happy feet: JK Edited April 13, 2010 by 8A4RE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLaudioF150 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Oh come on, who doesn't take the family SUV out to the local dirt oval once in a while? :happy feet: JK And the 4Runner didn't experience the same issue according to the CNN article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 This is most interesting – now that CR will actually test Toyota vehicles before recommending them, they may find lots of issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forddaughter Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 They are halting sales. http://www2.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/consumer/toyota-to-temporarily-halt-sales-of-lexus-gx460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 They are halting sales. http://www2.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/consumer/toyota-to-temporarily-halt-sales-of-lexus-gx460 Toyota is halting sales until a fix for the problem is found. This fix has got to be a change in the software and electronic stability control. I can't see them "redesigning" a new vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Toyota is halting sales until a fix for the problem is found. This fix has got to be a change in the software and electronic stability control. I can't see them "redesigning" a new vehicle. I'm sure they'll deny it's the software..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 reposting wherever I can more TM defecticles™ (defective vehicles) ...also sounds to me like TM doesn't know what the Heck they're doing & you know what's most disturbing for me after thinking about this? TM only "took steps" after an utter 'rag' like CR dissed the defecticle™ THEY DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE??? ie TM still doesn't give a damn about it customers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Toyota is halting sales until a fix for the problem is found. This fix has got to be a change in the software and electronic stability control. I can't see them "redesigning" a new vehicle. Understeer and oversteer characteristics are also influenced by damping rates in the suspension. So it could involve re-valving the shocks or changing the spring rates as well. Or possibly changing diameter of stabilizer bars. I would say it's very likely the suspension is the culprit, as it is probably tuned entirely different than the Toyota 4Runner that it shares its body and stability control with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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