GT-Keith Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 EPA ratinigs of 16/24; 0-60 in first gear. http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php/topic/74540-2013-gt500-reveal-and-qa-with-jamal-hameedi-jim-owens/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Wow, that thing is stunning in that red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT-Keith Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 That's what I said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTwannabe Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ111 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I can't stand the nose on the 2013. Tailights on the other hand are a vast improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 It's the same Cobra GT500 nose as the last 2 years, no grill now though. Traction.......can anybody find enough traction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StangBang Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 It's the same Cobra GT500 nose as the last 2 years, no grill now though. Traction.......can anybody find enough traction? Shelby not Cobra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang let back Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 the CRAPMARO zl1 killer is here!! :hysterical2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 EPA ratinigs of 16/24 Whats crazy is the GT500 gets the same MPG as a 06 Mustang V6...with 3 times the power! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ111 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Whats crazy is the GT500 gets the same MPG as a 06 Mustang V6...with 3 times the power! Yes, I remember my 07 Saleen with 400hp and Tremec 5-spd. got a gas guzzler tax. How times have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ111 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 the CRAPMARO zl1 killer is here!! :hysterical2: I hope your right. I believe the ZL1 beat the Ford GT times around the ring! While the Shelby should beat the ZL1 in a straight line, it may not on a twisty road course. I hope so. Should be some head to head tests by summer. Can't wait! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Oh good grief. Someone just mentioned the Nurburgring. Any other pointless race tracks and contextless figures you'd like to reference? How about my cousin Ernie's Corvette times at Spa? Joe Louis's great-grandkid's driver's ed instructor in a Fiat 850 at Monza? The guy across the street's 1984 Buick Regal at Sebring? Emerson Fittipaldi's 3rd cousin's step son's girl friend's hot lap in an Orange IROC at Laguna Seca? Edited April 27, 2012 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ111 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Oh good grief. Someone just mentioned the Nurburgring. Any other pointless race tracks and contextless figures you'd like to reference? How about my cousin Ernie's Corvette times at Spa? Joe Louis's great-grandkid's driver's ed instructor in a Fiat Tipolo at Monza? The guy across the street's 1984 Buick Regal at Sebring? Emerson Fittipaldi's 3rd cousin's step son's girl friend's hot lap in an Orange IROC at Laguna Seca? Settle down Homer. Lol. Just using an example of how well the king of crapmaro's corners. I hope the Shelby does best it in every catagory. -PJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 An utterly contextless example, based on who-knows-who's time in a Ford GT and who-knows-who in a Camaro, based on who-knows-how-many practice laps, who-knows-how-much total seat time, and of course the assumption that beating another car's lap time at the Nurburgring is an indicator of anything even remotely relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 An utterly contextless example, based on who-knows-who's time in a Ford GT and who-knows-who in a Camaro, based on who-knows-how-many practice laps, who-knows-how-much total seat time, and of course the assumption that beating another car's lap time at the Nurburgring is an indicator of anything even remotely relevant Cadillac certainly must think the Nurburgring is relevant since according to its advertising every waking moment is spent there, Gee, I wonder what my 2002 Taurus could do a lap in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I, personally, don't understand the fascination. It's just a flippin' racetrack, and--more to the point--a very very very very very very very one-dimensional race track. It's the cornering equivalent of a drag strip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Cadillac certainly must think the Nurburgring is relevant since according to its advertising every waking moment is spent there, Gee, I wonder what my 2002 Taurus could do a lap in? Probably just a tad faster than my Super Duty... I, personally, don't understand the fascination. It's just a flippin' racetrack, and--more to the point--a very very very very very very very one-dimensional race track. It's the cornering equivalent of a drag strip. And it is so dependent on the driver...even more so than a drag strip. Edited April 27, 2012 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 a very very very very very very very one-dimensional race track. It's the cornering equivalent of a drag strip. Please explain. Along with Spa in Belgium, it is one of the longest and most challenging road courses, and like the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca, the course has dramatic elevation changes, about as far away from drag-strip one-dimensional racing as you can get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 It's just a flippin' racetrack, and--more to the point--a very very very very very very very one-dimensional race track. It's the cornering equivalent of a drag strip. Having a lot of experience on the track (admittedly only in video games but Gran Turismo 5 is extremely realistic especially with a full steering wheel and pedals ) I think I can say that it's not just a racetrack and it's not at all one-dimensional. There are over 100 turns and every one is different - uphill, downhill, off camber inside and outside, increasing radius, decreasing radius, banked, flat, bumpy, smooth - you name it. It's probably the best workout for a suspension that's available. That said - lap times are meaningless unless they're back to back with the same driver and even then it's anecdotal. What is useful is running the same car with the same driver and testing different setups. BTW - Ford was testing the LS there years before Cadillac showed up with the CTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 You mentioned Spa & Laguna Seca, Ed. I would consider both of those tracks better all-around indicators of a vehicle's ability than the Nurburgring. Why? a decent mix of straights and corners. When I say the Nurburgring is as one-dimensional as a drag strip, it's based on the idea that each track represents an extreme which does not evaluate the full character of a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extreme4x4 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The problem with "ring" times is context. Frankly, they are BS. There is no such thing as an official Ring time, no matter how many times certain manufacturers say there is. Nobody witness's anything, and there are no standards. About the only thing that is consistant, is that cages are required now (they didn't used to be). The thing about that, is the vehicle is now much more rigid than it was stock................... and it is not stock. Thus it is not a good representation of what the vehicle can do. There have been many cases of manufacturers "gaming" the track. Running shaved tires or tuned cars. Who is to know the difference, since no third party is there to witness anything, and the chances of a driver as good as the manufacturers driver, taking their car there and running it, to compare the times, are slim to none. This is akin to the nothing track at 4000ft that GM chose for the ZL1 vs Boss 302 silliness. Frankly, the Ring is really a hp course. It has long straights and large sweeping turns. It is a perfect venue for a high horsepower vehicle. That way they can brag about their "official" Ring records. Both of which do not exist. The manufacturers have their professional drivers drive these venue's hundreds of times, to get their HERO run that they can brag about. A run that mere mortals will never duplicate. Finally, times from different days with different drivers, under different conditions, can only be compared against themselves..................... as there are too many variables at play. This is why you see Lightning Lap times for the exact same vehicle, at different times, being many seconds different. The only ones that count for comparison sake, are the ones done on the same day by the same driver, and only if conditions stay pretty much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I wonder if one of the attractions of citing Nurburgring times is the length of the track which would magnify any small difference, as in "10 seconds faster!!" when a vehicle might be two seconds faster at, say, Laguna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 About the only thing that is consistant, is that cages are required now (they didn't used to be). The thing about that, is the vehicle is now much more rigid than it was stock................... and it is not stock. Thus it is not a good representation of what the vehicle can do. That's telling. When did the cages become mandatory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4d4evr-1 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 dang guys, I thought this thread was about a Mustang, not a race track................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJ111 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Hate to see them lock another post of mine. I'll refrain from further comments and just let you boys go at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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