grbeck Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) I was going to mention the same thing but it seems like its taboo on this forum. Its a wonder it sells as well as it does. As far as I am concerned the DCT ranks right up there with MFT in terms of a massive screw up. I have the same feeling. I love the new Focus, and our 2005 SE has given us fantastic service (182,000 miles with one major problem - the alternator died in February). But this transmission definitely gives me pause, and my wife doesn't want a manual. Edited June 4, 2014 by grbeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 My daughter's 2012 Focus is running fine. Occasionally it jerks a little according to her but it never does it with me so I think it's how she drives. Haven't heard of any actual failures recently so at this point I think the problems are more of a nuisance for certain drivers. That said I don't think it's worth the hassles or the bad PR to keep it going forward. Maybe the wet clutch version for performance vehicles would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Try to find any information on the 2015 Edge with the new styling. There are no order guides, no job 1 dates, no dates for the order bank to open. Nothing whatsoever. The longer we go without the order bank dates the less the chance of seeing the new Edge this calendar year. I'm guessing it will be pushed back to Spring 2015. Again I'll point out none of those exist for the new F-150 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Re soft Focus sales, in the sales call Ford was asked about low Focus sales, and the 2 main factors in the answer were 1.Reduction of sales to daily rental 2.Focus shoppers choosing the Escape and Fusion instead. And it was also mentioned the Focus retail sales are only down 1%. So they (Ford) do not seem too worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Subcompact A/B segment sales by model: 1. Kia Soul 15,6062. Nissan Versa 11,2433. Chevy Sonic 8,7844. Ford Fiesta 7,2095. Hyundai Accent 6,1176. Chevy Spark 5,1777. Buick Encore 4,4758. Kia Rio 3,9299. Nissan Juke 3,82510. Honda Fit 3,48511. Fiat 500 3,33712. Mini Mini 3,24413. Hyundai Veloster 2,97114. Mini Countryman/Paceman 2,48515. Mitsubishi Mirage 1,70016. Toyota Yaris 1,61617. Fiat 500L 1,43418. Mazda2 1,29419. Scion xD 82320. Honda CR-Z 38921. Nissan Cube 35422. Scion iQ 24123. Mitsubishi i-Meh 35Smart ForTwo [TBD]Toyota Yaris Hybrid Prius C [TBD]Subcompact A/B segment sales by company/group:You can see clearly the Koreans really own this segment but GM is a surprise #2. Their two-front strategy to flank the Sonic with Spark (cheap) and Encore (expensive) is really working.Hyundai-Kia 28,623GM 18,436Nissan 15,422Ford 7,209BMW 5,729FCA 4,771Honda 3,485Toyota 2,680* [does not include Prius C]Mitsubishi 1,735Mazda 1,294Daimler [undisclosed number of Smart ForTwo - most of them electric] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94bronco Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 E-Series over 14K compared to Sprinter at 2K, America must really want those Euro vans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 E-Series over 14K compared to Sprinter at 2K, America must really want those Euro vans? Since dealer network and company image/reputation have nothing to do with it. I'm sure everyone would love the E-series to last forever lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBirdStangSkyliner Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Total auto sales in May is being reported to be up 11% over last year. My point in earlier posts is that 3% by Ford isn't necessarily a reason to get excited. Yes, there are many factors such as production constraints for Ford and for the May 2013 baseline of other competitors. A thoughtful review shows these to numbers to be mixed for Ford, and to not tell much of the story without further analyses. There seems to be some that look at the most simple number, percent increase, and cheer as if their team just won the World Series. I'd say it was one time up to bat in a game that hopefully never ends, and Ford neither hit a home run or grounded into a double play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Again I'll point out none of those exist for the new F-150 either. Wrong again. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGcQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bblfleet.com%2Ffleetdocs%2Fford_buildout.pdf&ei=C7iPU8rlGcyOqAayw4CoCw&usg=AFQjCNGS70lSXVqvRX8ZTNST2q-KPARM1w&sig2=ClVv6AZHQ6V38IyBjy4X0w&bvm=bv.68235269,d.b2k&cad=rja Ford F-150 last date for 2014 orders 5/23/2014 2015 order bank opens 7/16/2014 Job 1 10/20/2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 There seems to be some that look at the most simple number, percent increase, and cheer as if their team just won the World Series. I'd say it was one time up to bat in a game that hopefully never ends, and Ford neither hit a home run or grounded into a double play. As opposed to you, who only look at the most simple number, percent increase, and jeer as if their team came in last place? Did you completely miss the part where Ford had its BEST RETAIL SALES in 10 years? How is that not something hugely positive? Would it have been better if Ford had increased fleet sales and came up with a 11% increase for May? Fusion and Escape had great months. Many others were solid. A few were not so good. I didn't see anyone claiming anything different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 It would be nice to have a new Edge and a new Flex-something to boost market share, but the new Transit and Transit Connect are incredibly important for future revenue, and they're just coming to market. Is there any approximate date for the new transmissions for the various platforms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Total auto sales in May is being reported to be up 11% over last year. My point in earlier posts is that 3% by Ford isn't necessarily a reason to get excited. Yes, there are many factors such as production constraints for Ford and for the May 2013 baseline of other competitors. A thoughtful review shows these to numbers to be mixed for Ford, and to not tell much of the story without further analyses. There seems to be some that look at the most simple number, percent increase, and cheer as if their team just won the World Series. I'd say it was one time up to bat in a game that hopefully never ends, and Ford neither hit a home run or grounded into a double play. Or one good metric you can use is that Ford is still about 30,000 units behind GM which roughly aligns with where production and sales are. The point to make is how are others making their gains and do they iuse the same metrics to achieve sales as Ford, clearly the answer is no... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Would you rather have 3% of $1M or 16% of $100K? Thats the point I was trying to make...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Thats the point I was trying to make...LOL I know. I was trying to put it in more tangible terms that some people could comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Wrong again. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGcQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bblfleet.com%2Ffleetdocs%2Fford_buildout.pdf&ei=C7iPU8rlGcyOqAayw4CoCw&usg=AFQjCNGS70lSXVqvRX8ZTNST2q-KPARM1w&sig2=ClVv6AZHQ6V38IyBjy4X0w&bvm=bv.68235269,d.b2k&cad=rja Ford F-150 last date for 2014 orders 5/23/2014 2015 order bank opens 7/16/2014 Job 1 10/20/2014 That must have been a recent announcement then. It certainly wasn't the case the last time we had this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 That must have been a recent announcement then. It certainly wasn't the case the last time we had this conversation. Nope, the thing i has found when we were last discussing it didn't have any info about the F-150, so yeah it must be fairly new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Nope, the thing i has found when we were last discussing it didn't have any info about the F-150, so yeah it must be fairly new. But even if the dates had not been published the production version of the F150 was shown back in January and production was confirmed verbally for later in 2014. We still haven't seen anything close to a production version of the Edge yet or any comments whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Only thing troubling is that GM (with all the recalls), Chrysler, Toyota and Honda all had 12 to 18 percent increases! Why Ford only 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Only thing troubling is that GM (with all the recalls), Chrysler, Toyota and Honda all had 12 to 18 percent increases! Why Ford only 3? Do people not read and just post random reactionary posts? Ford is holding back incentive on some key vehicles to build up inventory in anticipation of extended shutdowns for F-150, Transit, Edge retooling, and Focus facelift. On vehicles with no such issues, Ford is bumping up against production capacity (Escape & Fusion). Because of the major product introductions, Ford expects to lose market share in 2014. But 2015 could (in theory) be a huge year. Edited June 5, 2014 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03 LS Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Only thing troubling is that GM (with all the recalls), Chrysler, Toyota and Honda all had 12 to 18 percent increases! Why Ford only 3?It's all relative. With previous announcements to manage expectation to be lower, up 3% seems to beat the (lowered) expectation. On Tuesday, F stock went up, while GM went down, even with a 13% sales increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 But even if the dates had not been published the production version of the F150 was shown back in January and production was confirmed verbally for later in 2014. We still haven't seen anything close to a production version of the Edge yet or any comments whatsoever. Edge is still in concept phase. Did we hear production dates when the Atlas came out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Edge is still in concept phase. Did we hear production dates when the Atlas came out? It was previously identified as the "2015 Edge Concept" and all indications were it was originally planned for this fall. Something has changed or is just running very very late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) But even if the dates had not been published the production version of the F150 was shown back in January and production was confirmed verbally for later in 2014. We still haven't seen anything close to a production version of the Edge yet or any comments whatsoever. Not anything close? There are pre-production prototypes that have been spied numerous times. It simply has not been unveiled yet. There isn't always a 12-month lead-up to a new product launch. The Edge is not the F-150. We covered this already. In the end, we'll see it when we see it. I don't see any ironclad indication that it will definitely come out this year or that it will definitely come out next year. It's still June!! I will say this though: with Edge continuing to sell consistently despite its age, I doubt Ford is in any urgent rush to get it out. Edited June 5, 2014 by NickF1011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Is this groundhog day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Is this groundhog day? Ned? Ned Ryerson??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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