rmc523 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) Yes, XT5, Escalade and CT6 yells autobhan!!!. CT6 I won't even address because it is more of the same let's target BMW... Escalade has for some time been its own beast, and is around because of the rest of the GMT (or KX22 or whatever it is these days) SUVs. They'd be stupid to cut it. XT5 is a next-gen SRX. Even they realize that it's been successful and the formula doesn't need to change much. I'm sure there are those at Cadillac that are salivating at the idea of making the XT5 into an X5 clone.....hmm XT5 > X5 haha. I'm guessing Oakville for the MKC movement when the next generation comes out for a few reasons, Canada has a MUCH better trade agreement with China for autos and could compliment the MKX as exports. With the new government and low oil prices the Canadian dollar will continue to fall to $1.40/$1.50 in the next year making it attractive for exports. Doing this could allow the next MKC will move off the C platform to CD4 which could be a shortened version of the same platform CD4 sharing more things with the MKX & even Continental (suspension components, vehicle electronic architecture, seats, etc). Lincoln could absorb the cost of putting a small SUV on a more expensive but better platform where the Escape's Market Price point couldn't absorb it. It would also allow Ford to launch the next MKC earlier than the next Escape, which would allow the plant to run full Escapes for a while (6-8months) building up inventories while it would be shut down leading to the new Escape. You also then have moved all Lincoln's volume product to one platform in different lengths, which could even be used for a small Lincoln car. That's an interesting theory. Now I haven't sat in the competition (I wish I had at the auto show), but after doing the Date Night with the MKC, it could use some more rear seat legroom....I'd have to look up the MKX specs too, as you obviously don't want them to get too close to each other size wise either. Edited November 10, 2015 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'm guessing Oakville for the MKC movement when the next generation comes out for a few reasons, Canada has a MUCH better trade agreement with China for autos and could compliment the MKX as exports. With the new government and low oil prices the Canadian dollar will continue to fall to $1.40/$1.50 in the next year making it attractive for exports. Doing this could allow the next MKC will move off the C platform to CD4 which could be a shortened version of the same platform CD4 sharing more things with the MKX & even Continental (suspension components, vehicle electronic architecture, seats, etc). Lincoln could absorb the cost of putting a small SUV on a more expensive but better platform where the Escape's Market Price point couldn't absorb it. It would also allow Ford to launch the next MKC earlier than the next Escape, which would allow the plant to run full Escapes for a while (6-8months) building up inventories while it would be shut down leading to the new Escape. You also then have moved all Lincoln's volume product to one platform in different lengths, which could even be used for a small Lincoln car. I can see this happening espcially if Ford moves to a Single Transverse Engine architecture, that will span B-E FWD vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) "Like a fwd luxury sedan in a rwd dominated market?......" Actaully an AWD dominated market. Most Beemers sold now have an 'X' in the badge. And Lexus #1 selling car is the Camry based ES, but it's overshadowed by their SUVs. Audi is all FWD based, but most sold are Quattros. And there would be howls from UAW and Trump if Ford imported new Tauruses from China. Only if there were sales increases, as there were with Fusions, will we see new Tauruses. Buyers with over $40-50K to spend on a new vehicle get trucks, Utes, or luxury makes. Leaves Impala and Taurus as fleet queens. quote "Fullsize sedans are on the way out, Chevy is seriously considering dropping the Impala." I predict Chevy will merge the Malibu and Impala into one line, all called "Impala". But, don't see Ford doing same with Fusion for Taurus. Edited November 10, 2015 by 630land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Good question-think F-650-750. No mention of the 6.8 anywhere. How big can the 6.2 go? I do believe others have mentioned that the 6.2 had durability issues for medium duty but the fact remains, a good reliable gasoline engine that can be converted to a gaseous engine should have a future. Surprisingly the 6.2 is a big-block motor that can easily be bored to 7.0 . Theoretically the v10 can survive with a big power boost from the 5.0 valvetrain and possibly head configuration but IMO since Ford spent $$$ on the 6.2 program they probably want their ROI off that, so Ford enlarge the Boss for MD use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Why does the Taurus have to go anywhere in the lineup? They just announced 9 billion in plant work. Import the 40k they sell here from China. You'll never here the hounding stop if Ford imports a Chinese car. Maybe Flat-Rock have something when the Fusion leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 You'll never here the hounding stop if Ford imports a Chinese car. Maybe Flat-Rock have something when the Fusion leaves. Rumor on the floor is that when Fusion leaves, there will be 3 incoming models. MKZ makes sense. Potential CD4/6 Taurus makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'm guessing Oakville for the MKC movement when the next generation comes out for a few reasons, Canada has a MUCH better trade agreement with China for autos and could compliment the MKX as exports. With the new government and low oil prices the Canadian dollar will continue to fall to $1.40/$1.50 in the next year making it attractive for exports. Doing this could allow the next MKC will move off the C platform to CD4 which could be a shortened version of the same platform CD4 sharing more things with the MKX & even Continental (suspension components, vehicle electronic architecture, seats, etc). Lincoln could absorb the cost of putting a small SUV on a more expensive but better platform where the Escape's Market Price point couldn't absorb it. It would also allow Ford to launch the next MKC earlier than the next Escape, which would allow the plant to run full Escapes for a while (6-8months) building up inventories while it would be shut down leading to the new Escape. You also then have moved all Lincoln's volume product to one platform in different lengths, which could even be used for a small Lincoln car.interesting, Jason I had a rant elsewhere for a shortened & prolley lowered X... ...came out almost exactly the size of the Macan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) So I haven't been following Lincoln or their upcoming products too closely, but have we decided that the(3rd mystery Lincoln utility?) will be the Aviator and not some kind of Lincoln "Super" Bronco? I remember there being a question on if this unknown Lincoln ute was going to be unibody or possibly FOB? Edited November 11, 2015 by probowler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So I haven't been following Lincoln or their upcoming products too closely, but have we decided that the(3rd mystery Lincoln utility?) will be the Aviator and not some kind of Lincoln "Super" Bronco? I remember there being a question on if this unknown Lincoln ute was going to be unibody or possibly FOB? I don't think there's any chance of it being a "super" bronco. The opportunity for an Aviator/MKT replacement is too large for them to leave it on the table for some other more specialty product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Yeah - Aviator makes way more sense than a MkBronco. Maybe they'll sell the Troller as is alongside Ranger and Bronco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Maybe they'll sell the Troller as is alongside Ranger and Bronco? If it doesn't take too much to make it meet American crash and emissions standards, I don't see why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Yeah - Aviator makes way more sense than a MkBronco. Maybe they'll sell the Troller as is alongside Ranger and Bronco? I still think the next-gen Troller IS the new Bronco (and vice-versa). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 I still think the next-gen Troller IS the new Bronco (and vice-versa). There was a report that there would be 1 truck and 2 utilities and one of the utilities was not a Ford brand. Since I doubt Lincoln would be getting a Bronco or a Ranger version Troller would fit nicely. Bronco would be more Ranger like than Troller like. Troller would be the Jeep competitor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 There was a report that there would be 1 truck and 2 utilities and one of the utilities was not a Ford brand. Since I doubt Lincoln would be getting a Bronco or a Ranger version Troller would fit nicely. Bronco would be more Ranger like than Troller like. Troller would be the Jeep competitor. That's the rumor I was thinking about... and that makes a lot of sense actually. Although I'd rather it be the other way, and the Bronco be more Toller like (Capability wise... not necessarily looks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 There was a report that there would be 1 truck and 2 utilities and one of the utilities was not a Ford brand. Since I doubt Lincoln would be getting a Bronco or a Ranger version Troller would fit nicely. Bronco would be more Ranger like than Troller like. Troller would be the Jeep competitor. Well, my thought to that rumor has been that the Bronco and Troller would be one in the same. So technically 2 utilities from 2 brands, but they're identical (with the Troller being exported elsewhere). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Well, my thought to that rumor has been that the Bronco and Troller would be one in the same. So technically 2 utilities from 2 brands, but they're identical (with the Troller being exported elsewhere). Possible but I see them as 2 different markets with Troller as a bare bones Wrangler type vehicle and Bronco being more of a specialized Ranger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 There was a report that there would be 1 truck and 2 utilities and one of the utilities was not a Ford brand. Since I doubt Lincoln would be getting a Bronco or a Ranger version Troller would fit nicely. Bronco would be more Ranger like than Troller like. Troller would be the Jeep competitor. I posted that based off a rather cryptic message from a source. I took it to mean Ranger, A Troller-based Bronco, and an Everest-like Lincoln product. I wondered if an Everest-based Aviator was in development as an alternative to an Explorer-based Aviator, or it Lincoln was looking at utility lineup of MKC/MKX/Aviator crossovers and Mini Navigator and Navigator SUVs. Or maybe this was some purposeful misinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I don't see where an MKEverest would really fit. But it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I don't see where an MKEverest would really fit. But it's possible. Direct Range Rover competetor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Nah. That'd be a bit too direct of a Range Rover competitor. I know I'm repeating myself, but Lincoln's strategy is basically that of Wee Willie Keeler: Keep your eye clear, and hit 'em where they ain't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Given that South America is NOT the seat of global design leadership, I'd expect the current Troller goes away to be replaced by a Dearborn designed global Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Wonder if OAC could do EdgeMKX, MKC, and Transit Connect? I think Flex/MkT only soldier on with Explorer until they find a better use for OAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Can Ford sell 350,000 Mid-sized Body on frame vehicles in the north America for the next 10 years? I don't think so. So what is plan if they are going to spend 700 million in a plant that received 550 million in upgrades only 5 years ago? Only to reverse the investments made? Please tell me I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 overall the announcement is rather Ho Hum What you lose: FLEX MKT Taurus What you gain: Ranger? Bronco? MKA? Continental $700 million investment to make the all-new 2017 Escape What is This stuff about an all new Escape When it hasn't even had its MCE yet? 700 million? To me this seems like Ford like in the past is expecting low fuel prices and Trucks to dominate the Market just like the 90s, chasing the money with no plan for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 I think 200K is possible - maybe higher if they export troller and bronco. Could they shift Ranger production from other plants? Could they add products from another platform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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