silvrsvt Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 http://www.autonews.com/article/20160105/BLOG06/301059997/ford-gets-the-powershift-dual-clutch-transmission-right-but-is-it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 When my Focus was in for the fuel pump recall fiasco, they also updated the TCM and PCM. I am really not happy with the way the car shifts now. Before the shifts were firm but concise. Now they feel sloppy almost rubber-bandy (in comparison to the way it used to shift). I don't know if this update was a response to complaints about shift quality, but I'm not thrilled with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 < insert turd polishing remark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Put it in the Chinese Escort and call it a day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Still not convinced that "Ford got it right". His rental might have been newer with few miles on it. And it doesn't matter. Buyer perception of the trans will never be favorable. Call it something else if you must but people will shy away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Put it in the Chinese Escort and call it a day.... Yes, they did that already but Escort has NA 1.5 so power and torque are much lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I had a newer rental Fiesta in Chicago a few months ago. Had 40K miles and shuddered like crazy. It's better but still not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Put it in the Chinese Escort and call it a day.... Put it in a lawnmower at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I am really not happy with the way the car shifts now. Before the shifts were firm but concise. Now they feel sloppy almost rubber-bandy (in comparison to the way it used to shift). Most customers prefer that type of shift ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Most customers prefer that type of shift ! Not me.....and it is quite a change from the way it was. I've had to gun it once or twice (since the reprogramming) and it just sat there, then the power came on like a second later. I thought something broke at first. Edited January 6, 2016 by Intrepidatious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Try S mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Try T mode for TRASH it. This transmission made a great car bad. BTW I have a 2012 Focus SE with 71K but it's a manual just for the reasons given. Edited January 6, 2016 by coupe3w 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yes, they did that already but Escort has NA 1.5 so power and torque are much lower. Escort has 6F35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Sorry I saw a report that said 5 speed manual and power shift auto Since older platform I assumed it had Fiesta powertrain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Probably will be a CVT in the next generation. :P 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Intrepid... Anytime a reprogram and relearn is done (as with FSA 15B22) the TCM goes into a 'break in' mode on the clutch. This allows the clutches to slip more than they usually would both during 'in gear/applied' and 'shifting'. In addition, ALL the data it has gathered has been reset. The newest IDS based relearn process doesn't seem to be a precise as it once was. It may take a while for it to return to the way it was. Ford says up to 1k miles of normal driving. What you SHOULD do to speed the process up is go drive it 'spiritedly' (at or very near WOT) 0-60 several times in an area where it is safe to do so. Now, back on track with the original topic of the thread... They can't and won't "fix" the DPoS6. The dry clutch with electrical over mechanical control is a flawed system with a fragile controller (TCM). The actual hard parts are unchanged. A '15/'16 takes the same clutch as a '12. The software updates have helped a whole lot, and if had been available at launch instead of making customers and techs beta test the car, this might not have been so bad, even acceptable. But the way that Ford has handled the whole fiasco is embarrassing. Parts shortages, software issues and the way that they treat dealerships and techs only changed once they realized that sales were being effected. There has been no single better Kia salesman than the DPoS6. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Four years worth of glitchy problem ridden Powershifts on the used car market will do wonders for Focus resale values, right when Ford will try to convince buyers to buy another new one....... Resale value, who in their right mind would want to buy someone else's problems? Meanwhile, the rest of the world has already moved to a better commercial product in the 1.5 Ecoboost and Fusion 6-speed auto.... those customers are to be envied. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibinubu12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I have one of the early 2012 Focuses with the DCT. The input shaft seal leaked and by 28k the original clutches were toast. Replaced the -A level clutch with the -D level clutch at 28k, shift quality improved dramatically, but the 15B22 update has completely eliminated shudder on one condition - A/C is off. When A/C is on, it now has the potential to shudder on a start, but it doesn't do it every time. It's almost *more* frustrating when it's so intermittent now, it'll go an entire week without shuddering. I would hope that the new -F clutches are even better such that my very intermittent shifts are even less frequent on new build Focuses. As long as the clutches are completely uncontaminated, there's no reason the thing should shift poorly. The DCT is an amazing piece of technology, and one of the reasons I bought the Focus in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibinubu12 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Escort has 6F35 Wouldn't it be the 6F15? Escort shouldn't need the torque capability of the 6F35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Wouldn't it be the 6F15? Escort shouldn't need the torque capability of the 6F35. Test drive reporters say it is the same 6 speed automatic as used in the Escape, so it is the 6F35 paired with the 1.5L NA engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Intrepid... Anytime a reprogram and relearn is done (as with FSA 15B22) the TCM goes into a 'break in' mode on the clutch. This allows the clutches to slip more than they usually would both during 'in gear/applied' and 'shifting'. In addition, ALL the data it has gathered has been reset. The newest IDS based relearn process doesn't seem to be a precise as it once was. It may take a while for it to return to the way it was. Ford says up to 1k miles of normal driving. What you SHOULD do to speed the process up is go drive it 'spiritedly' (at or very near WOT) 0-60 several times in an area where it is safe to do so. Hey thanks for the info! That's most likely exactly what I'm experiencing. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Four years worth of glitchy problem ridden Powershifts on the used car market will do wonders for Focus resale values, right when Ford will try to convince buyers to buy another new one....... Resale value, who in their right mind would want to buy someone else's problems? Meanwhile, the rest of the world has already moved to a better commercial product in the 1.5 Ecoboost and Fusion 6-speed auto.... those customers are to be envied. Yet JPD The EB15 cannot not meet the FE targets at the same cost of the 2.0/DCT combo. The resale problem have little to do with the transmission and far more to do with the incentives, poor Quality and overall brand Equity. I have one of the early 2012 Focuses with the DCT. The input shaft seal leaked and by 28k the original clutches were toast. Replaced the -A level clutch with the -D level clutch at 28k, shift quality improved dramatically, but the 15B22 update has completely eliminated shudder on one condition - A/C is off. When A/C is on, it now has the potential to shudder on a start, but it doesn't do it every time. It's almost *more* frustrating when it's so intermittent now, it'll go an entire week without shuddering. I would hope that the new -F clutches are even better such that my very intermittent shifts are even less frequent on new build Focuses. As long as the clutches are completely uncontaminated, there's no reason the thing should shift poorly. The DCT is an amazing piece of technology, and one of the reasons I bought the Focus in the first place. Drive the car agressively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) Wouldn't it be the 6F15? Escort shouldn't need the torque capability of the 6F35. There is no 6F15... 6F35 is the lowest torque rated version of the Ford-GM 6 speed transmission. It is used in Focus 1.0 Ecoboost and 1.5 Ecoboost as well. Edited January 7, 2016 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) ibinubu - I've PERSONALLY put clutches in 15's. I've re-replaced several "F" clutches. There is no magic in the "F" clutch. And the majority of the ones I do are NOT contaminated with anything. The system relies on 100% repeatability. The dry clutch cannot do it with the control system that they use. FYI: dust from wear of the clutch is an unavoidable contaminant- the system cannot compensate for it. That's why beating them like a redheaded step child helps sometimes. Edited January 7, 2016 by YT90SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Seems like cooler waether helps, but what can be done long term? Guess Ford will go to CVT's or 'liquid' trans in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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