akirby Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Any competitor that has a product selling 1/5 quantity of mine, and is hungry for more, would make me ensure my bucket has no leaks. And the reality is, Ford has holes in every segment bucket when they allow known defects to continue. I'm separating F150 from the rest of the lineup. I agree they have issues with cars but I don't see any leaks in the F150 bucket. Ford is absolutely leading the segment and is not resting on their laurels at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Well, if you drop landscape blocks from a height of 10' into the bed of the F150, it will leak more than before. Does that count? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Well, if you drop landscape blocks from a height of 10' into the bed of the F150, it will leak more than before. Does that count? what about sliding a metal toolbox off the top of the bed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) The quality slide is unfortunate but it's important to recognise and pinpoint immediate issues, vehicles like Focus don't earn Ford much profit when they continue to see the $18K SE as the volume product. It's easier to upsell to a Fusion or Escape Edited June 6, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 And Focus has also been carrying around $2K incentives for the past few months, that would seem to be one of the few options toFord at the moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 And Focus has also been carrying around $2K incentives for the past few months, that would seem to be one of the few options toFord at the moment... $4250 around Metro Detroit right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 $4250 around Metro Detroit right now. I'm at work and Ford's mobile site sucks. Does that include ST/RS models too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The Focus fell to 17k while the Cruze increase to that many, shame IMO the only downside to the Focus is the transmission. The Cruze hatch is popping-up everywhere where I live. Had a Cruze hatch rental the last two days. Really liked it. If I were in the market for that type of car it'd be my top choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I'm at work and Ford's mobile site sucks. Does that include ST/RS models too? Yep. Everything except electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 $4250 around Metro Detroit right now. Interesting because Ford's national offer on SE is $3250 retail cash, so perhaps those dealers are throwing in another $1K to make the deals, that would be ~$14,800 cash purchase price. That's a lot less than a $22K Cruze LT, especially when a Titanium Focus is now $21,700 cash price.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Interesting because Ford's national offer on SE is $3250 retail cash, so perhaps those dealers are throwing in another $1K to make the deals, that would be ~$14,800 cash purchase price. That's a lot less than a $22K Cruze LT, especially when a Titanium Focus is now $21,700 cash price.. I know of one dealer that's offering a 13k cash price for an SE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Do we have an ETA when the new Focus is supposed to be in showrooms? End of next year? Spring 2019? Seems like a long time off, but only about a year and half away or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Do we have an ETA when the new Focus is supposed to be in showrooms? End of next year? Spring 2019? Seems like a long time off, but only about a year and half away or less. I don't know when job 1 is tentatively scheduled but my best guess is probably about the same time as Ranger, so early 2019 it will hit showrooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) I don't know when job 1 is tentatively scheduled but my best guess is probably about the same time as Ranger, so early 2019 it will hit showrooms. New Escape and Focus will be out next year. In Metro Detroit Focus have 5000, ST is 4500, and electric is 2600. You can get a base ST for a hair under 20 with the rebate and a/z plan. (plus tax) Edited June 7, 2017 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 New Escape and Focus will be out next year. Thats fairly interesting since we have seen zero Escape mules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 New Escape and Focus will be out next year. In Metro Detroit Focus have 5000, ST is 4500, and electric is 2600. You can get a base ST for a hair under 20 with the rebate and a/z plan. (plus tax) MAP has one more model year of Focus production, which starts in September. I don't think the new model will start being built until later next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I'm separating F150 from the rest of the lineup. I agree they have issues with cars but I don't see any leaks in the F150 bucket. Ford is absolutely leading the segment and is not resting on their laurels at all. You obviously dont own one now, or in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 You obviously dont own one now, or in the past. I'm curious to know where you think the F150 trails others in the segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) and as we've seen, issues with a vehicle may not necessarily affect new sales. I'm also curious t know what nagging issues may be affecting the current F150, the new 10-sped auto and engine upgrades seem to have captured buyers' attention.... Edited June 7, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 and as we've seen, issues with a vehicle may not necessarily affect new sales. I'm also curious t know what nagging issues may be affecting the current F150, the new 10-sped auto and engine upgrades seem to have captured buyers' attention.... and there's inevitably going to be growing pains with it as production ramps up beyond Raptor levels. I'm interested in seeing how the new corporate leadership handles it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 You obviously dont own one now, or in the past. I don't have to own one to see the sales volumes and ATPs. Nobody said F150 doesn't have issues - almost every vehicle has issues. But they're not serious enough to impact market share or retail prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I don't have to own one to see the sales volumes and ATPs. Nobody said F150 doesn't have issues - almost every vehicle has issues. But they're not serious enough to impact market share or retail prices. until you drop a toolbox from the top of the tailgate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 until you drop a toolbox from the top of the tailgate Since Ford's market share and ATP's have been INCREASING, you must be saying dropping a toolbox has increased sales then. Free advertising for Ford! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 and there's inevitably going to be growing pains with it as production ramps up beyond Raptor levels. I'm interested in seeing how the new corporate leadership handles it. I have a good feeling that having Raptor showcase the 10AT for a decent period in advance of full roll out was a prudent move and probably gave production the necessary time to shake out a lot of the bugs before ramping up volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Since Ford's market share and ATP's have been INCREASING, you must be saying dropping a toolbox has increased sales then. Free advertising for Ford! But if costs have increased at the same rate (production, warranty, etc...), rising ATPs are only keeping pace. Unfortunately, we can't look too far beyond the press releases to see what the true story is. (Devil's advocate response, please continue) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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