Bob Rosadini Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 A new 6.8 built on 7.3 design? Including Mustang??? so much for "OHC for performance, pushrods for trucks"-or words to that effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 All the moves with Ford and its trucks lately have been knocking it out of the park. Godzilla, Supercharged Raptor (maybe), new F-150, Ranger already in second place in sales, Bronco, and potentially now this, Ranger Raptor, and even a Bronco truck. Best truck lineup by far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: A new 6.8 built on 7.3 design? Including Mustang??? so much for "OHC for performance, pushrods for trucks"-or words to that effect. There is no way no how a 6.8L engine ends up in a Mustang especially not a pushrod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Stray Kat said: Baby Godzilla at Windsor. 16 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Why do they need that? 7.3L is already built at Windsor...6.8L seems like an odd number to go to when building a derivative of "Godzilla"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, twintornados said: 7.3L is already built at Windsor...6.8L seems like an odd number to go to when building a derivative of "Godzilla"... I can't imagine it would be that much better on fuel economy so what's the advantage? Lower height to fit in smaller vehicles? I'll say again there is no way it's going into a Mustang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Personally, I just don't see the return on investment for a 6.8. The physical size means Super Duty only. Sure some idiot will shoe horn into a Mustang. But Ford OE will never put that large of an engine in a Mustang. It'll just be cheaper to drop the 6.2 all together and sell the 7.3L only for gasser in the SD. It's not like CAFE makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, akirby said: I can't imagine it would be that much better on fuel economy so what's the advantage? Lower height to fit in smaller vehicles? I'll say again there is no way it's going into a Mustang. Either Dias misspoke or Ford has something interesting coming in 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 92merc said: Personally, I just don't see the return on investment for a 6.8. The physical size means Super Duty only. Sure some idiot will shoe horn into a Mustang. But Ford OE will never put that large of an engine in a Mustang. It'll just be cheaper to drop the 6.2 all together and sell the 7.3L only for gasser in the SD. It's not like CAFE makes a difference. And that was the plan, delivering the 7.3 in three different power levels but to now link F150 and Mustang to a new 6.8 V8 in 2022 is a revelation that no one was expecting, Dias could have misspoke I guess but if this is true, the holy gospel according to Ford will now have to be rewritten. Externally, Godzilla is more compact than Coyote and will fit in F150 and Mustang with a low profile intake, I'm curious how this new 6.8 would fit under CAFE, there must be cylinder deactivation to get decent FE. Edited September 23, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) A hypothetical 6.8L occurring in the F-150- what happens to the Coyote then as an option in that exact truck? Edited September 23, 2020 by Broncofan7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Broncofan7 said: A hypothetical 6.8L occurring in the F-150- what happens to the Coyote then as an option in that exact truck? Does one have to replace the other, could 6.8 be an Apex engine limited to certain models? Also, Coyote sales in F150 have been reducing in the past few years, it's now less than 30% of total sales so what's that going to be like in two or three years time.... Clearly, Ford is discussing something with UNIFOR that's out in the press for sizzle but still a lot of missing details that will come out once the contract is ratified. Edited September 23, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Does one have to replace the other, could 6.8 be an Apex engine limited to certain models? That's what I'm wondering myself... but it is hard for me to imagine with the recent emphasis on Powerboost, the HO Ecoboost, etc. over the past few years. As a V-8 fan, I'm certainly not complaining. I think this engine is an intriguing possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Broncofan7 said: That's what I'm wondering myself... but it is hard for me to imagine with the recent emphasis on Powerboost, the HO Ecoboost, etc. over the past few years. As a V-8 fan, I'm certainly not complaining. I think this engine is an intriguing possibility. Until we hear more details, people's minds will be going crazy and that's the whole intent of putting out there during contract negotiations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Until we hear more details, people's minds will be going crazy and that's the whole intent of putting out there during contract negotiations Yep. What you mention about the Coyote's dwindling sales in the F-150 could lead some to believe that this proposed engine could be a replacement for the Coyote. One thing with Ford in the truck game, they always make improvements and throw curve balls no one expects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Guys. Clearly they're going to have a Mustang-badged truck soon. Duh #expandedMustangfamily! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Guys. Clearly they're going to have a Mustang-badged truck soon. Duh Mustang Mach 150! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, akirby said: Mustang Mach 150! You forgot Bronco E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, akirby said: Mustang Mach 150! I'm all in if it has a shaker hood scoop and flat black striping!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 8:43 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: Think about how much Ford has been talking about electrification. OHAP is just one small piece of that puzzle. If they turn OAC into something of a BEV specialized facility that could mean good things in the future in terms of long term security of the facility itself provided BEVs take off like they hope. The fear is BEVs are much less complex and require less manpower to build so there's definitely job security concerns there. Job security is certainly a concern with this deal for lower seniority members. Many members have retired this year allowing the majority of the 450 who were laid off to return. I hope through attrition these junior members can keep their jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, jpd80 said: Until we hear more details, people's minds will be going crazy and that's the whole intent of putting out there during contract negotiations You got that right! We’re all chomping at the bit here in Oakville waiting for the details to be released Sunday morning at 8am. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: Either Dias misspoke or Ford has something interesting coming in 2022. I wouldn’t doubt it if good ole Jerry misspoke!! He is not well liked around here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: I wouldn’t doubt it if good ole Jerry misspoke!! He is not well liked around here! Let’s see if he says it again or clams up on the 6.8 statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 7 hours ago, akirby said: There is no way no how a 6.8L engine ends up in a Mustang especially not a pushrod. No argument-that is what the press release said-or what the union spokesperson said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Maybe Ford got wind of a GM plan to put that 6.6 in a Silverado 1500..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Well, at 22m 14s he is asked what vehicles will receive the new engine and he clearly states "it'll be derivatives of the Mustang and the F150" https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3iex143duqwyi3/Ford TA News Conference-2020.09.22.mp4?dl=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Twin Turbo said: Well, at 22m 14s he is asked what vehicles will receive the new engine and he clearly states "it'll be derivatives of the Mustang and the F150" https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3iex143duqwyi3/Ford TA News Conference-2020.09.22.mp4?dl=0 Well derivative of a mustang and mustang are completely different. Although I still have a hard time seeing the benefits of this engine over the 7.3, the coyotes and the 3.5eb in any application. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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