joseodiaga4 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, akirby said: Is t the 3.0L TT the only current engine? Yeah for the 2024 model the only option. I was wondering if it could get the 2.3l EB, it could help in China Edited February 5 by joseodiaga4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 7 hours ago, Rick73 said: 2023 MY included 3.0L EcoBoost PHEV as an option, but 2024 MY Lincoln page only shows 3.0L EcoBoost ICE. EPA rating for PHEV was relatively poor and may show the reason PHEV was dropped. My point was the 2nd Gen has only ever had one engine option - the 3.0Leb regardless of whether it was a PHEV. And if you think anybody bought the GT based on mpg you’re dreaming again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said: Yeah for the 2024 model the only option. I was wondering if it could get the 2.3l EB, it could help in China It’s the only engine option the 2nd gen has ever had. Perhaps you meant powertrain instead of engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, akirby said: It’s the only engine option the 2nd gen has ever had. Perhaps you meant powertrain instead of engine. Yeah, my bad haha And I agree, I doubt the GT was bought for the mpgs, just for the additional power Edited February 5 by joseodiaga4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ANTAUS Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Autoblog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 We are not continuing the PHEV debate in this topic. This is about the refresh which for whatever reason doesn’t include the GT option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Motortrend.com This article adds a bit more on why the Aviator didn't have the Nautilus 48in screen... ..." Brand manager Sara Hendricks says the splashier screen went into the Nautilus because that model attracts a younger, techier, more metropolitan buyer, while the Aviator is more family-oriented."... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 29 minutes ago, ANTAUS said: Motortrend.com This article adds a bit more on why the Aviator didn't have the Nautilus 48in screen... ..." Brand manager Sara Hendricks says the splashier screen went into the Nautilus because that model attracts a younger, techier, more metropolitan buyer, while the Aviator is more family-oriented."... Mmm I am not sure, because the Navi is also getting the Nautilus screen (although I hope it is a bit bigger because the Escalade will have the 55in screen of the IQ). I think it is because this is just a refresh and not a complete redesign 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, akirby said: We are not continuing the PHEV debate in this topic. This is about the refresh which for whatever reason doesn’t include the GT option. I started a new topic for the 2025 Aviator with the latest content from Autoblog.com and FordAuthority.com. https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/75834-2025-lincoln-aviator-revealed-with-new-face-more-tech-no-more-phev/&tab=comments#comment-1219081 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 hours ago, ANTAUS said: Motortrend.com This article adds a bit more on why the Aviator didn't have the Nautilus 48in screen... ..." Brand manager Sara Hendricks says the splashier screen went into the Nautilus because that model attracts a younger, techier, more metropolitan buyer, while the Aviator is more family-oriented."... Seems like a cop-out answer - I'm guessing they didn't have the budget to make a massive change like that. Explorer kept the same lower dash, and re-worked the upper portion with things mostly in the same locations. Changing to that Nautilus-style screen would've meant completely redesigning the structural parts of the dash beneath the surface. 4 hours ago, matt6 said: The new front doesn't look AS bad in these photos, but I still think the bar should've run through the grille/emblem - it looks like it's missing a piece as-is, and doesn't match with the new design language brought in by Nautilus, and coming soon to Navigator. The interior looks better, but predictable - the gauge cluster is new in addition to the new larger center screen. It looked great to begin with, but I worry the interior will start to age against competition - let's hope the full redesign is coming sooner than later....which I'm not hopeful of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: Seems like a cop-out answer - I'm guessing they didn't have the budget to make a massive change like that. Explorer kept the same lower dash, and re-worked the upper portion with things mostly in the same locations. Changing to that Nautilus-style screen would've meant completely redesigning the structural parts of the dash beneath the surface. The new front doesn't look AS bad in these photos, but I still think the bar should've run through the grille/emblem - it looks like it's missing a piece as-is, and doesn't match with the new design language brought in by Nautilus, and coming soon to Navigator. The interior looks better, but predictable - the gauge cluster is new in addition to the new larger center screen. It looked great to begin with, but I worry the interior will start to age against competition - let's hope the full redesign is coming sooner than later....which I'm not hopeful of. Agree on both of your points, it looks better than in the spy pics but also it looks incomplete without the light bar on the center. I suppose it is to differentiate it better with the redesign models. I wonder how much will it change in China, specially the interior? Maybe it will adopt the same design as the Chinese Corsair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseodiaga4 Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 On 6/15/2023 at 7:10 PM, DeluxeStang said: So this is the upper trim for China or probably the 2025 Navigator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/5/2024 at 9:54 AM, ANTAUS said: Motortrend.com This article adds a bit more on why the Aviator didn't have the Nautilus 48in screen... ..." Brand manager Sara Hendricks says the splashier screen went into the Nautilus because that model attracts a younger, techier, more metropolitan buyer, while the Aviator is more family-oriented."... That is a nonsensical excuse. Anyone buying a luxury vehicle wants the latest and greatest. I really can’t understand why they didn’t put it in the vehicle when the work was done. I’m sorry, that is just BS by Lincoln/Ford, and a missed opportunity to offer a better vehicle that would put it in the best position to attract new customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/5/2024 at 1:33 PM, rmc523 said: Seems like a cop-out answer - I'm guessing they didn't have the budget to make a massive change like that. Explorer kept the same lower dash, and re-worked the upper portion with things mostly in the same locations. Changing to that Nautilus-style screen would've meant completely redesigning the structural parts of the dash beneath the surface. The new front doesn't look AS bad in these photos, but I still think the bar should've run through the grille/emblem - it looks like it's missing a piece as-is, and doesn't match with the new design language brought in by Nautilus, and coming soon to Navigator. The interior looks better, but predictable - the gauge cluster is new in addition to the new larger center screen. It looked great to begin with, but I worry the interior will start to age against competition - let's hope the full redesign is coming sooner than later....which I'm not hopeful of. The interior isn’t that far removed from the old interior, so it’s going to age pretty quickly in this category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 6 hours ago, tbone said: That is a nonsensical excuse. Anyone buying a luxury vehicle wants the latest and greatest. I really can’t understand why they didn’t put it in the vehicle when the work was done. I’m sorry, that is just BS by Lincoln/Ford, and a missed opportunity to offer a better vehicle that would put it in the best position to attract new customers. I do think it is a marketing line (trying to make lemonade out of lemons), and when the Aviator comes in for a redesign I expect we'll see some form of it. The honest answer would have been that because this is a refresh not a redesign. Bringing in the Nautilus' massive screen system would have required a wholesale redesign of the dash system. Maybe they should have done that, but it would have been pretty costly and would have pushed the refresh beyond its budget. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The CD6 Platform is supposed to get a major refresh in the next 3-4 years to allow it go into the next decade till its replaced by an EV platform. This nothing more then an MCE on a product that is about 5 years old and had a screwed up launch, then COVID hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I definitely think this platform has been mishandled. The refresh should have come in late 23 as 24 model. I also hate buying early release model years such as a 2025 model being released at the beginning of 24, because it would likely make my vehicle high mileage vehicle at trade in time. This should have been a 2024 since it’s about in line with the 24 Ranger at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ares Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Design sketch from 2021 for the refresh. Always cool to these. Edited February 7 by matt6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 hours ago, matt6 said: Design sketch from 2021 for the refresh. Always cool to these. It’s pretty close to the production model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/6/2024 at 1:17 AM, akirby said: We are not continuing the PHEV debate in this topic. This is about the refresh which for whatever reason doesn’t include the GT option. Only one engine with good power and torque makes perfect sense, it also changes the emphasis back trim packages which is where tailoring to buyers needs should be, personalisation brings premium pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 14 hours ago, tbone said: I definitely think this platform has been mishandled. The refresh should have come in late 23 as 24 model. I also hate buying early release model years such as a 2025 model being released at the beginning of 24, because it would likely make my vehicle high mileage vehicle at trade in time. This should have been a 2024 since it’s about in line with the 24 Ranger at this point. The 2024 Ranger would have been out already if it wasn't for the Strike in the Fall...the first T6 Ranger also had a protracted launch. You most likely won't see the 2025 Explorer/Aviator till May 2024 due to expected launch delays, which is pretty much the halfway point CY for 2024...so its a 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/5/2024 at 10:54 AM, ANTAUS said: Motortrend.com This article adds a bit more on why the Aviator didn't have the Nautilus 48in screen... ..." Brand manager Sara Hendricks says the splashier screen went into the Nautilus because that model attracts a younger, techier, more metropolitan buyer, while the Aviator is more family-oriented."... Translation: there wasn’t enough money in the budget for the refresh to completely redo the entire IP. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/5/2024 at 11:14 AM, joseodiaga4 said: I think it is because this is just a refresh and not a complete redesign Haha great minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 hours ago, silvrsvt said: You most likely won't see the 2025 Explorer/Aviator till May 2024 due to expected launch delays, which is pretty much the halfway point CY for 2024...so its a 2025. Don't forget CAP was on strike for a few weeks too. That had to have pushed the timetable for the MY2024 buildout back a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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