fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, T-dubz said: This sounds ridiculous. First, why would you hire someone back that you fired, and second, why would you pay them back pay if you did hire them back? The more I hear about the UAW and the manufacturers, the more I feel like I’m in La La Land. The back pay part isn’t very common but I personally know 1 person who got that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, akirby said: Well you can forget any low priced vehicles that’s for sure. Time to dust off that partially completed plant in Mexico. If Google Maps can be believed, it looks like the steel that was once up is now gone,,,,, https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/01/05/508287656/canceled-ford-plant-adds-to-mexicos-economic-frustrations HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) FORD MEDIA: Bill Ford Remarks on the Future of American Manufacturing For those interested, attached is a copy of Bill Ford's remarks. Ford Media_2023-10-16_Bill Ford Remarks_UAW Strike.pdf Edited October 16, 2023 by ice-capades Additional Content Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I read someplace many years back that they deconstructed what they had built. The Mexican government would still like to use the site for something and didn't want a partially constructed plant still standing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 re Bill Ford's speech I appreciate the fact in this world of giant corporate entities, Ford remains a true family business. Many will say that is BS, but I spent 44 years in the same industry...half of that time with an international giant, and the rest with a very large family owned entity. I always said, the difference?..in the former you had to worry about being stabbed in the back by a corporate ladder climber...working for the latter?..you had to be worried about being punched in the mouth by an owner. Bill Ford didn't punch anyone in the mouth, but his speech brought it down to a very personal level. He has stockholders now to answer to- unlike Hank the Deuce when he took over in 1947, but I believe he has the interest of his employees in mind when he talks about what is at stake....it is more than just the stockholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: The back pay part isn’t very common but I personally know 1 person who got that deal. That’s mind boggling to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said: Bill Ford didn't punch anyone in the mouth, but his speech brought it down to a very personal level. He has stockholders now to answer to- unlike Hank the Deuce when he took over in 1947, but I believe he has the interest of his employees in mind when he talks about what is at stake....it is more than just the stockholders. It was a good speech, but it will fall upon deaf ears. Fain's already dismissed it. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2023/10/16/bill-ford-speaks-publicly-about-uaw-talks-for-the-first-time/71199918007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Also, one of the investment firms is estimating that Ford is losing $44 million dollars/day, and GM $21 million dollars/day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, mackinaw said: It was a good speech, but it will fall upon deaf ears. Fain's already dismissed it. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2023/10/16/bill-ford-speaks-publicly-about-uaw-talks-for-the-first-time/71199918007/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 This is starting to feel like when Hostess shut down in 2012 because they couldn’t come to an agreement with the union. It’s not an exact parallel because Hostess was in a more dire financial position, but they told the union they would shut down if they did not reach an agreement, and that’s what happened. Ford may not shut down, but they might be forced to do things drastically different than today, which will be a sad day for me and all those involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, tbone said: That’s mind boggling to me. Welcome to union jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said: but I believe he has the interest of his employees in mind when he talks about what is at stake....it is more than just the stockholders. Absolutely. He thinks this is a win/win for both the company and employees, and he’s right. Too bad the union leaders can’t see that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, tbone said: This is starting to feel like when Hostess shut down in 2012 because they couldn’t come to an agreement with the union. It’s not an exact parallel because Hostess was in a more dire financial position, but they told the union they would shut down if they did not reach an agreement, and that’s what happened. Ford may not shut down, but they might be forced to do things drastically different than today, which will be a sad day for me and all those involved. I don’t see Ford allowing the union to reject the final offer and continue to play games shutting down plants one by one. I fear a lockout is coming very soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, akirby said: Too bad the union leaders can’t see that. Just one, really, and he’s got the masses brainwashed. You should see some of the vitriol directed at Bill Ford after todays speech in the Facebook groups. There’s no hope of this ending without arbitration. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The entire process is being negotiated in the press which is a huge mistake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Quote It's not the UAW and Ford against foreign automakers. It's autoworkers everywhere against corporate greed. If Ford wants to be the all-American auto company, they can pay all-American wages and benefits. Workers at Tesla, Toyota, Honda, and others are not the enemy — they're the UAW members of the future." If anything this situation will make it impossible for the UAW to organize any of these other plants. He is delusional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, twintornados said: The entire process is being negotiated in the press which is a huge mistake. Agreed. I’ve questioned that from the very beginning. It’s nice getting updates for a change but not worth it for the situation we ended up in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 OK, I obviously have trouble with comprehension, so could someone explain to me the rational behind the 32-hour workweek at 40-hour pay? By my math, that's a 26% per hour increase, independent of whatever wage increase is negotiated. How is this even possible to ask for? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, akirby said: If anything this situation will make it impossible for the UAW to organize any of these other plants. He is delusional. He’s clearly banking on them seeing what the big 3 union workers are getting and wanting to vote to join the union. A bold strategy had he not messed up by airing all the dirty laundry of negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: OK, I obviously have trouble with comprehension, so could someone explain to me the rational behind the 32-hour workweek at 40-hour pay? By my math, that's a 26% per hour increase, independent of whatever wage increase is negotiated. How is this even possible to ask for? HRG It was a red herring from the start. Nothing more than a ploy to try to get the companies to hire more people and in turn pad the pockets of the union from the influx of dues money. On top of that, hardly anyone actually wants that. What’s really being asked for is change the language in the contract to prevent the abuse of mandatory overtime. It’s not so much a Ford and GM problem but it’s for sure a Stellantis problem. Edited October 16, 2023 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It was a red herring from the start. Nothing more than a ploy to try to get the companies to hire more people and in turn pad the pockets of the union from the influx of dues money. I get the hiring more people part, and everyone gets 3-day weekends, it's the 40-hour pay demand that has me stymied. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: I get the hiring more people part, and everyone gets 3-day weekends, it's the 40-hour pay demand that has me stymied. HRG We have that now at plants on a 4x10 schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: We have that now at plants on a 4x10 schedule. Understood, but they're working 40 hours. Not 32, but expecting to be paid at the 40-hour rate. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Understood, but they're working 40 hours. Not 32, but expecting to be paid at the 40-hour rate. HRG Makes as much sense as bringing back a defined benefit pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 42 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: He’s clearly banking on them seeing what the big 3 union workers are getting and wanting to vote to join the union. A bold strategy had he not messed up by airing all the dirty laundry of negotiations. I live in the South and those jobs are golden tickets to the people who live in those areas. They do not want all this strike drama nor do they want to risk these companies closing up shop and going back to Japan, Korea and Germany. They are happy being at will employees. That’s what the UAW can’t comprehend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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