2025 Ford Expedition

[Rick73]

Looks good to me for what it is, which is very opposite of “less is more” preferences in my opinion.  Just wonder how large a market remains for such a vehicle.

[rmc523]

16 hours ago, spotdog14 said:

So can we talk about how they are dropping the limited trim? 

 

 

 

As mentioned above, they're aligning it with the SUV trims.  Ironically, it'll now have a blend of names, though - XL was always a fleet version, so Active will replace XLT - Tremor takes the position of Timberline, King Ranch stays, and then there's Platinum at the top.

Tremor, KR, and Platinum are all still shared with the trucks, so really the only truck name being replaced is XL/XLT with the Active name.

 

35 minutes ago, akirby said:

Limited and Platinum were always redundant.  One was just a loaded version of the other.  I think they already did that on F150.

 

Yeah on the F-150 (and SD) they made the top version Platinum Plus.

[Dlcorbett]

It looks like the platinum trim will come in atleast 5 pkgs, a base pkg, stealth, stealth performance, something called the drivers pack, and ultimate.  The kr trim looks to fill the old limited trims niche.

Edited October 7, 2024 by Dlcorbett

[ausrutherford]

8 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

As mentioned above, they're aligning it with the SUV trims.  Ironically, it'll now have a blend of names, though - XL was always a fleet version, so Active will replace XLT - Tremor takes the position of Timberline, King Ranch stays, and then there's Platinum at the top.

Tremor, KR, and Platinum are all still shared with the trucks, so really the only truck name being replaced is XL/XLT with the Active name.

 

 

Yeah on the F-150 (and SD) they made the top version Platinum Plus.

 

Which reminds me that the name was used for an Adult-only business in town that got shut down for prostitution....

[Dlcorbett]

chief engineer details changes and why the changes were made.  A lot of info.

 

Edit: gm is doing press drives for the my25 Tahoe and suburban starting next week.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2024 by Dlcorbett

[Rick73]

13 hours ago, Dlcorbett said:

chief engineer details changes and why the changes were made.  A lot of info.

 

Edit: gm is doing press drives for the my25 Tahoe and suburban starting next week.

 

 

Thanks for sharing; it’s an interesting and informative video.  I can relate to some of the first comments like it being no larger because owners want it to still fit in a garage.  No doubt it’s hard to spend that kind of money and then park outside.  Also understand comments about some prospective owners in Texas wanting a V8 in lieu of 3.5L EB, or questioning whether 24-inch wheels are really a good idea when roads are often in such bad condition.  On the other hand an upgrade that seems practical is ability to tow up to 7,000 pounds without weight distribution.  The two-piece tailgate seems very functional also, and would be a nice addition as an option on some Transit vans meant for personal use or hauling people, not pallets.  Reminded me a little of Excursion tailgate practicality except this may work even better.

[rmc523]

Pricing....

 

2025 Ford Expedition More Expensive Than Outgoing SUV

 

 

I find it odd that they chose to compare the 2025 Platinum price to the discontinued 2024 Limited, rather than directly compare the old and new Platinum trims.

 

The 2025 Platinum trim is now $6,370 cheaper than the outgoing Platinum, but I guess there is a jump from Limited before.

[T-dubz]

Still don’t understand the name change. Active is terrible. Seems like every manufacturer has some sort of “active” trim.

 

Those are some big differences in price, I hope there are more standard features accounting for the price difference instead of just a price increase with nothing to show for it.

[Dlcorbett]

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Pricing....

 

2025 Ford Expedition More Expensive Than Outgoing SUV

 

 

I find it odd that they chose to compare the 2025 Platinum price to the discontinued 2024 Limited, rather than directly compare the old and new Platinum trims.

 

The 2025 Platinum trim is now $6,370 cheaper than the outgoing Platinum, but I guess there is a jump from Limited before.

I think they did this because on the build and price, the platinum is outfitted like the limited, and you have to add packages to get the same options as the current platinum.

[rmc523]

Just now, Dlcorbett said:

I think they did this because on the build and price, the platinum is outfitted like the limited, and you have to add packages to get the same options as the current platinum.

 

I guess that makes some sense.

[Dlcorbett]

I dnt like that you have to get the 24in wheels to get massage seats.  It shouldve been a stand alone option on the platinum or added to the driver/stealth performance packages

[rmc523]

 

What a lovely color palette lol  A lot of variety!

 

[fuzzymoomoo]

4 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

What a lovely color palette lol  A lot of variety!

 

Ford has had a very boring color palette for years now.

[tbone]

8 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

What a lovely color palette lol  A lot of variety!

 

You can have any color you want as long as it’s black, lol. It works for me, because I always buy black vehicles anyway. I am liking the green though.  Those are some hefty price increases, yikes.

Edited October 25, 2024 by tbone

[ExplorerDude]

What really bothers me about the prices increases is just how tone deaf Ford has become. 
 

There was a time when Ford would cut the price by $1,000 or more when launching a new generation of a particular vehicle. Emphasizing the value and that it costs less.
 

The price increases on the new Expedition and Navigator are just appalling. I knew it was coming but hoped that they had reconsidered pricing/positioning. I really think sales of those models will slow and they will then react by cutting them back. The equipment hasn’t changed that much to necessitate such high price increases.

 

The Navigator went from $83,000 in change to $99,995. Insanity!

Edited October 25, 2024 by ExplorerDude

[tbone]

48 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said:

What really bothers me about the prices increases is just how tone deaf Ford has become. 
 

There was a time when Ford would cut the price by $1,000 or more when launching a new generation of a particular vehicle. Emphasizing the value and that it costs less.
 

The price increases on the new Expedition and Navigator are just appalling. I knew it was coming but hoped that they had reconsidered pricing/positioning. I really think sales of those models will slow and they will then react by cutting them back. The equipment hasn’t changed that much to necessitate such high price increases.

 

The Navigator went from $83,000 in change to $99,995. Insanity!

I don’t disagree. The argument will be that the competition is doing it so we can do it as well. That was a ridiculous price change for what you’re getting. in my opinion, the vehicle didn’t change significantly enough to justify that jump.

[Dlcorbett]

Actually, the navigator reserve with its price increase is the luxury suv value leader.  True, the price went up to 99k, but with what you get to start, it undercuts all of its competitors.  None of its competitors can be had with 4wd, massage seats, upgraded sound, and self driving under 100k (without destination).  The same features for the escalade, w/o sc 110k, w/ sc 120k.  Grand wagoneer to get said features is 110k minimum as well.  The closest competitor is the qx80, which is 102k which has those features with the powered sec row.  If you add self driving, price goes to 106k, which is about even to nav w/ enhanced 2nd row.

 

Should ford have added a base trim with less features, probably, but they probably didn't sell enough to justify adding that trim, atleast right now.  I was dreading that price increase, but playing with the builds on all the lux suvs, the nav makes out well.  I will say, the black label makes a less compelling value, as it's just as pricey as it's competitors but without the over the top tech they have.  130k But no night vision, digital rear view mirror,  air suspension, or intercom system...? That was a misstep.

 

There's no my25 build and price for tahoe/yukon or armada to compare against the expy.  The price seems about even to the prior years expy since it bundles alot of the features that were optional on the prior years, but they didn't enhance any of its features, like 8 way passenger seat, only heated sec row, and you have to get ultimate pkg to get massage seats which ups price to 90k.

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by Dlcorbett

[rmc523]

11 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

Ford has had a very boring color palette for years now.

 

Sure, but I feel it's gotten excessively bad lately.....they're now starting to drop reds and (real) blues on a few models in favor of may-as-well-be-black blues (Antimatter).

 

8 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:

What really bothers me about the prices increases is just how tone deaf Ford has become. 
 

There was a time when Ford would cut the price by $1,000 or more when launching a new generation of a particular vehicle. Emphasizing the value and that it costs less.
 

The price increases on the new Expedition and Navigator are just appalling. I knew it was coming but hoped that they had reconsidered pricing/positioning. I really think sales of those models will slow and they will then react by cutting them back. The equipment hasn’t changed that much to necessitate such high price increases.

 

The Navigator went from $83,000 in change to $99,995. Insanity!

 

Yeah, I saw an article that Escalade starts out 12k cheaper....not a good look, IMO, even if you're getting more equipment standard.

 

28 minutes ago, Dlcorbett said:

Actually, the navigator reserve with its price increase is the luxury suv value leader.  True, the price went up to 99k, but with what you get to start, it undercuts all of its competitors.  None of its competitors can be had with 4wd, massage seats, upgraded sound, and self driving under 100k (without destination).  The same features for the escalade, w/o sc 110k, w/ sc 120k.  Grand wagoneer to get said features is 110k minimum as well.  The closest competitor is the qx80, which is 102k which has those features with the powered sec row.  If you add self driving, price goes to 106k, which is about even to nav w/ enhanced 2nd row.

 

Should ford have added a base trim with less features, probably, but they probably didn't sell enough to justify adding that trim, atleast right now.  I was dreading that price increase, but playing with the builds on all the lux suvs, the nav makes out well.  I will say, the black label makes a less compelling value, as it's just as pricey as it's competitors but without the over the top tech they have.  130k But no night vision, digital rear view mirror,  air suspension, or intercom system...? That was a misstep.

 

There's no my25 build and price for tahoe/yukon or armada to compare against the expy.  The price seems about even to the prior years expy since it bundles alot of the features that were optional on the prior years, but they didn't enhance any of its features, like 8 way passenger seat, only heated sec row, and you have to get ultimate pkg to get massage seats which ups price to 90k.

 

 

That may be true, but just hearing that it starts at 100k will likely turn off a lot of buyers just hearing that, even if they would've opted for checking the boxes that get it to that 100k point.

[Dlcorbett]

To be fair to lincoln, cadillac and jeep dont stock the base trims of their suvs regularly.  When my dad was looking for his escalade, he had to order because every dealer only had the premium and platinum trims, which were all over 115k.  It's too soon if infiniti will better stock their pure trim, but I dnt see many on cars.com.

[rmc523]

Just now, Dlcorbett said:

To be fair to lincoln, cadillac and jeep dont stock the base trims of their suvs regularly.  When my dad was looking for his escalade, he had to order because every dealer only had the premium and platinum trims, which were all over 115k.  It's too soon if infiniti will better stock their pure trim, but I dnt see many on cars.com.

 

Oh, I'm not saying they should stock it.....it doesn't seem like any brand stocks a base trim of anything these days.  I'm just saying they should have it as an available model so you don't scare off people with that starting price.

[NightHawk150]

In case anyone was interested in pricing out a model:

https://shop.ford.com/configure/expedition/2025/model/customize/active

[Flying68]

I hate how you can't get the ventilated and multi-contour seats on the Tremor, and why the hell do you need to get 24" wheels on the Platinum Ultimate.  These option packages are getting ridiculous.

[Sherminator98]

10 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:

The Navigator went from $83,000 in change to $99,995. Insanity!

 

Didn't Escalade have a huge price increase over the Tahoe years back?

[ice-capades]

10 hours ago, tbone said:

I don’t disagree. The argument will be that the competition is doing it so we can do it as well. That was a ridiculous price change for what you’re getting. in my opinion, the vehicle didn’t change significantly enough to justify that jump.

 

There's nothing new here. It's a pricing game that all the manufacturers have played for many years. Any time a competitor raises their prices it becomes an opportunity to raise their own prices as well. 

[joseodiaga4]

On 10/25/2024 at 6:06 AM, ExplorerDude said:

What really bothers me about the prices increases is just how tone deaf Ford has become. 
 

There was a time when Ford would cut the price by $1,000 or more when launching a new generation of a particular vehicle. Emphasizing the value and that it costs less.
 

The price increases on the new Expedition and Navigator are just appalling. I knew it was coming but hoped that they had reconsidered pricing/positioning. I really think sales of those models will slow and they will then react by cutting them back. The equipment hasn’t changed that much to necessitate such high price increases.

 

The Navigator went from $83,000 in change to $99,995. Insanity!

Both have a considerable price increase but it seems they are pursuing profit per vehicle and not more sales. 
The competition is also doing it but if you consider the market share, IMO it is a bit difficult to justify, specially for the Navi.

Don’t get me wrong, although I think it didn’t change that much, I really like it both inside and out but I still think they left a lot to be desired, specially in the tech department.

Edited October 26, 2024 by joseodiaga4