The overall shape is good for the segment. The details put it above all in the segment. Here some pics of the Stellantis B segment siblings…
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Yea, the theme in the thread is that Ford hasn't produced a sedan that's aspirational or desirable for over 30 years. To your point, trucks and SUV is where Ford is the best. A few Ford coupes and hatchbacks, especially the racing oriented Mustangs, are also desirable.
The Ford CEO said he wants to invest in growing segments, and implied that Ford isn't going to repeat past mistakes.
Exactly, but that's why you give manufactures the choice. Hypercar and gt3 could stay as they were, which would keep the investments for racing in those series rather low as you stated. Who's to say just like with production cars, companies couldn't develop a competitive chassis, or powertrain together to reduce their individual costs, but develop certain things on their own to add diversity to the competition?
Yup, that's been my point as well - the Navigator/Expy's rear cargo area is already long/massive (especially in the Max/L versions), this setup will only put you farther away from items at the front of the cargo area. Like I mentioned above, I do remember some patents for some sort of moving cargo floor to bring items outward - maybe we'll see some sort of trick setup to counteract this issue.
Lol. Not sure what F250 has to do with anything.
I just don't consider a design with a mish-mash of styling cues that don't relate to one another elegant.
The black on the hood edge looks like a hood wind deflector, the bizarre unnecessary rectangles by the license plate, squared off rear design elements on an otherwise curvy vehicle, stuck on round taillight pods, etc.
The body shape overall isn't bad for the segment, but I just don't like the detailing.....maybe it looks better in person?
What I like about single tailgates is sitting on the cargo floor edge, with the hatch open and shielding you if it's raining. The split-tail gate makes it a longer reach if things roll forward. Not to mention the complexity of it... I can't imagine this is any cheaper than the traditional method.
For sure. He's not actively looking - he was actually looking to see what Escape prices were for his gf - but looked at trucks while he was there. His '19 F-150 Lariat is doing fine, but he's tired of the SuperCab and would prefer a SuperCrew (he bought it used, and it was a good deal considering the options it had vs. lesser equipped new models).
In the truck segment, Ford is the best. The Raptors and the Broncos are desiderables, of course. But the thread is about sedans… and coupes or hatch’s.
You will see more velvet and others textiles to replace the leather in luxury cars in the near future. Italy is setting the course. This Lancia and the new Alfa Romeo Junior will be the trendsetters this year