As I said in the other thread, none of us are saying the new Navigator is terrible, just that Ford didn't push far enough.  It's great that sales are their strongest in years, decades even, but it'll be interesting to see what happens as '24 inventory clears out, and whether it can maintain this pace.

You are correct in a sense that GM has traditionally skipped MCEs and just done new version every 5-6 years, but sales have remained strong.  I'd say your comment is an exaggeration, IMO.  While it may not have had some of the creature comforts others offered, embarrassing is a strong word.  But it also offered features elsewhere (ex. night vision) that others didn't have that sort of offset the second row limitations.   ---   None of us are saying the new Navigator is terrible, just that Ford didn't push far enough.  Sales are their strongest in years, decades even, but it'll be interesting to see what happens as '24 inventory clears out.

So I revamped my charts and I put together a look at the entire truck market for all of the competitors in each segment (I didn't do ICE vans, though) - enjoy......   Also, Tesla and Rivian haven't reported any figures yet, but I'm not going to wait on them, as they're weird in their reporting anyway.   Please note, it's been a lot of work to create this new setup when I've have time, so there may be some errors - let me know if you see any....thanks!      

So I revamped my charts and I put together a look at the entire truck market for all of the competitors in each segment (I didn't do ICE vans, though) - enjoy......   Also, Tesla and Rivian haven't reported any figures yet, but I'm not going to wait on them, as they're weird in their reporting anyway.   Please note, it's been a lot of work to create this new setup when I've have time, so there may be some errors - let me know if you see any....thanks!      

Since E-Transit is more likely a "commodity" sale (i.e. personal transportation shoppers don't typically shop it) when those fleet orders come in or not is key to a what would be considered a "successful" sales quarter.

What’s behind E-Transit decline?  Seems the recent larger-battery upgrade did not help much.  First thought maybe businesses stopped buying EVs but GM’s BrightDrop improved considerably, though sales numbers still low.   Above statement explains some of the decline, but year-to-date data suggest there’s likely more than that affecting sales.

Prior to 2025, the escalades 2nd row wasn't horrific, just odd design choices that people were more than willing to live with.

Not hard to sell a bunch of EVs at $33K, but I seriously doubt they’re turning a profit at those prices.

I disagree on GM throwing the kitchen sink at the Escalade.  They let it go on for years with barely any new features and a severely lacking 2nd row compared to others in the class but it still sold better than any of them and that was because of name recognition.  The IQ fixed a lot of that but before the IQ look at the Escalade's 2nd row compared to others in the class and it was almost embarrassing.

CX-5 is made in Japan.....CX-50 is made in America