So Lincoln is going to have just 3 models? I hope they bring Corsair from China. Also I wonder what happened to the rumored 2 new models that were coming… axed as everything else I guess
It seems like the 3 row was killed for 2 reasons. The generally low sales of larger EVs, whereas smaller, more affordable EVs seem to sell quite well, large EVs aren't. Secondly, the design was apparently pretty darn hideous, like hated by everyone who saw it levels of ugly, and so Ford knew it wouldn't sell well.
The CE1 EVs are going after segments with much higher levels of demand for EV vehicles, and hopefully learned from the 3 row the importance of balancing aero and aesthetics a lot better.
FINAL UPDATE Since my last post we've pulled our travel trailer to Moab UT, The Smokies and the Rockies (all the way up to Frisco area). Navigator handled it with ease. The max trans temp we saw was during the climb on HWY 70 to Frisco/Peak 1 campground area. We hit high 230's but no smoke and no warnings or derating. Wife is super-happy we get to keep the Navigator. Happy Trails everyone!
Agreed, that's kinda why I hope Ford starts to gradually leak out bits of info every few weeks or months, to give us actual info and keep speculation to a minimum.
If battery costs have gone down that sharply, why did Ford cancel the 3 row EVs which would have sold for twice what CE1 will? The bigger vehicles will benefit much more from lower battery costs than smaller, more efficient ones. Farley was cautious in his statements last Monday and said this may not work. Hard to imagine how a $30 - $35k truck will provide an equal or bigger return than the $40-$50k Edge which sold in multiples of what the BEV truck is likely to.
Agree. No doubt 4-cylinder Mustang is a fire breathing monster by original Mustang standards. It’s been tested to do 60 in well under 6 seconds and quarter in approximately 14 seconds at ~ 100 MPH, which makes it as fast or faster than classic Hemi Cudas, Corvettes, 442s, GTOs, etc., not to mention way faster than most Mustangs sold in 60s.
IIRC original 6-cylinder Mustangs were closer to 10 seconds to 60, and 289 V8s in the mid to high 8-second range. It’s hard to remember that Mustangs with 302s only had 140 Net HP and in my experience still made an awesome daily driver.
IMO Mustangs will likely never be what they once were — a really cool car a large percentage of population related to. Technology has advanced so much since originals that differentiating based on raw power and speed makes it unnecessarily faster than vast majority of buyers require or may want. Short of a complete reboot I can’t imagine Mustang selling in large quantities again.
My 2 cents…. Not sure how effective marketing can influence or override deep seated perceptions. Many old timers in particular (aging baby boomers) may think any 4-cylinder Mustang is sacrilegious, regardless of how capable. And at other extreme may also view any 400+ HP car with loud exhaust inappropriate for a person their age. Perhaps inappropriate is not the best word to use. Maybe unseemly? Somehow seems a bad fit to me. 😀
Uh the whole point of this project was to make a low cost vehicle that makes a profit. EVs are cheaper/easier to build then ICE. The biggest issue with EVs is battery costs and they have gone down tremendously.
https://motorwatt.com/ev-blog/trends/battery-cost-trends
2010: Batteries cost over $1,100 per kWh
2015: Prices dropped to around $350 per kWh
2020: Reached approximately $200 per kWh
2025: Sitting pretty at around $130 per kWh