Correct and People are also expecting substantial write down on T3 being pushed backwards for years, BOC is a huge complex with what now seems nothing to build but batteries 

Yes, and regarding Bolt, it’s interesting that new tailgate opens so taller owners don’t bang their heads as easily.  These are the kinds of improvements that make smaller vehicles more functional and practical to live with.  Pictures show differences as well as previous tight access to rear seat.  If I understand description correctly most of the added length of EUV (on which new 2027 Bolt is based) vs EV is at rear doors and seat.    

Hilux Single Cab | Pick-Up | Toyota South Africa R371,700 including VAT Minus VAT Amount (@15%) = R313913.04 R313913.04 to USD = $18,221.62      🤔    

Funny how they ALL came up in my feed....wrong Francis??      

Are you implying added costs are not an issue Ford is trying to manage?  If not cost reduction then what?  Personally see cost as primary issue with most things, otherwise every vehicle would have every gadget and option imaginable.  The line on content has to be drawn somewhere for any given vehicle price, right?  As mentioned previously in other threads, IMO the best way to reduce costs is to have budget-minded models that do not have these capabilities at all from the onset.  Deleting options can’t possibly save as much because many costs are already sunk.  Just my 2 cents….

Do they really have a big void in commercial vehicle offerings?  Maybe a few small holes yes.

I'm talking about the brand new one that was redesigned/isn't out yet, so I'm not sure if things have been improved either.   Yes, definitely agree on that last sentence.

Its a 2020 Rav XLE, not sure if the new ones improved on those issues, but when sharing this with another friend and the "But Toyotas are realiable..." spin and I just attacked, I'm like "At what cost? a Miserable experience lasting years, have you tried anything else"... Ironically this vehicle was a hand me down to my bestfriends kid, grandma only does Toyota.  Funny thing is her son took her to anything BUT and bought a new 2025 GMC Terrain. And here he is "look lighted switched, some touch materials, toys, doors that sound like a solid THUNK", I just remind him "Please hope she doesnt have an issue with the GMC cause you'll never hear the end of it for purcashing a domestic brand"....

We’re not going to continue beating this dead horse that has already been beaten at least 10 times about big trucks and chicken tax.     Bolt comments only please.