Yeah when I wait 4 hours just for an oil change I have little confidence something like a water pump will be done the same day. I’m better off doing it myself if I can. 

One of our fleet PIU has been at the local dealership since the first week of February for a blown turbo @ 40,000 km.    Parts have been in for three weeks... They have a mechanic shortage. 

My father retired from the CAF in '83. Opened a VHS video store franchise shop. Sold Panasonic, Technics kit as well. I was the same age and same year as season 1 of Stranger Things. D&D but no underworld.

I think we all made our points.  I'm locking it before it gets nasty.

Well they win the name game 🤣. Sign me up for a rad vehicle!

Reminds me of the Bolts front end. I don’t think this is bad, and it’s an improvement on the previous van.

Saw these on Facebook. I actually think these look pretty good.

I'm the outlier here, but the town next door to me has a ton of minivans (normally a few years old) due to the families having lots of kids, so I see a ton of them.    Oh its been in the news lately too...due to a certain religious group 

You can't even get this right. There is not a single county in the world where 90% of the billionaires inherited their wealth. This claim is flat out dishonest and you continue to make up this crap as you go.          https://www.datapulse.de/en/billionaire-self-made/   In the USA 27% of billionaires inherited their wealth. But that inherited wealth came from their ancestors that created amazing companies. For many of that 27% they continue to invest and grow the family company resulting in more and more jobs. Ford and Walmart are great examples. Their are many others. You are blinded by your jealousy, indoctrination and anger.

A software glitch vs say needing a fuel pump is completely different