silvrsvt Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat...gn_id=rss_daily though I gotta love stupid reader comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat...gn_id=rss_daily though I gotta love stupid reader comments! Yeah, gotta love them! Always tearing a company/product down rather than applauding it's acheivement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I just got my Feb '09 Car and Driver. Fusion Hybrid first place in a 4 way comparison. Fusion trounced the Malibu, Altima and Camry Hybrids in the subjective "Gotta have it" and "Fun to drive" catagories. It was better or tied with Camry in the Vehicle, Powertrain and Chassis catagories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown25 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Yeah, gotta love them! Always tearing a company/product down rather than applauding it's acheivement. This is my favorite one "In addition, foreign companies are de-tuning and raising rear end ratios as we speak, and doing it on their long time production platforms...economically. Whereas American mfgs. have to re-tool, drop clunky platforms and cubic inched engines and redesign. Big difference in $$$$$." and they are still talking about Ford using Toyota's hybrid technology when Toyota came out and said that Ford was using a separate system. In college we get hounded for not citing our sources, yet a guy at Business week won't get in trouble for saying an outright lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 This is my favorite one "In addition, foreign companies are de-tuning and raising rear end ratios as we speak, and doing it on their long time production platforms...economically. Whereas American mfgs. have to re-tool, drop clunky platforms and cubic inched engines and redesign. Big difference in $$$$$." and they are still talking about Ford using Toyota's hybrid technology when Toyota came out and said that Ford was using a separate system. In college we get hounded for not citing our sources, yet a guy at Business week won't get in trouble for saying an outright lie. import brainwashing will be a never ending battle it seems..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 That’s is a neat trick considering that Ford utilizes some of Toyota’s hybrid technology. And there's the official David Kiley blooper. Can't have a Ford article without one. As for the reader comments. Anyone idiotic enough to confuse FINAL DRIVE with REAR END doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) I think they just aced the 2011 Camry Hybrid - well done Ford!!!! A huge pull ahead of technology considering they could have just used the current Escape set up. Now Toyota can feel what it like to follow Ford for a while. Edited December 29, 2008 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat...gn_id=rss_daily though I gotta love stupid reader comments! Best Reader Comment Ever:delicia lewisDecember 29, 2008 01:15 PM Ford Fusion Smokes Camry Hybrid on Fuel Economy, Is this really the headline you should be using for Ford Products " Smokes" Where there's smoke there's fires" The 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII my son was driving was branded a beautiful, ahead of it's time luxury vehicle. That turned out to not be able to make it to 90K miles, before it burned my 22 son and his girlfriend to death. Of course Ford denies this, and will be dragging our families through the courts for years, but this mother will never stop until justice is served. I wish that story was true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark B. Morrow Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Best Reader Comment Ever: I wish that story was true... I believe the accident was real. I am skeptical as to the claim that the cruise control switch caused the car to catch fire before the crash. http://www.jacksonvilleprogress.com/homepa...eadpicturestory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown25 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 David Kiley changed his article after I exposed his flawed argument. Here's the comment I left and the response I got, "Dear David Kiley, According to your article, you insinuate that Ford is utilizing Toyota's hybrid technology by saying, "That’s is a neat trick considering that Ford utilizes some of Toyota’s hybrid technology" . Yet, Doron Levin, a Bloomberg Columnist corrected this mis-perception on April 22nd, 2004 in his article entitled "Ford disputes View its Hybrid is a Toyota". Officially Toyota has been gracious toward the Escape hybrid. ``We're thrilled that there's another manufacturer entering the hybrid arena,'' said Irv Miller, Toyota's group vice president for communications. ``It adds further to our belief the technology is viable.'' Levin goes on to say, "Miller acknowledged the accuracy of Ford's version of events regarding the patent agreement. ``They thought their software was close enough that they wanted to protect themselves,'' he said". source: Levin, Doron. "Ford Disputes View That Its Hybrid Is a Toyota". Bloomberg. 12/29/08 . From Kiley: I never said that the ford was a toyota....simply that ford utilizes some licensed technology from toyota...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I believe the accident was real. I am skeptical as to the claim that the cruise control switch caused the car to catch fire before the crash. http://www.jacksonvilleprogress.com/homepa...eadpicturestory Oh I wasn't disputing that the accident happened. I just don't see how her son's lack of attention span and horrendous driving skill has anything to do with the faulty cruise control switch. In any case, that switch was recalled years ago. VT--> <-- Delicia Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 This article from 2006: LINKFord buys parts for its hybrid vehicles from Aisin Seiki, a supplier that is partly owned by Toyota and part of its global network of parts-making companies. Ford and Aisin have had disputes over the number of parts Aisin was willing to make available for Ford vehicles. Maybe using a different system on Fusion Hybrid neatly side steps Aisin Seiki's parts supply issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 From Kiley: I never said that the ford was a toyota....simply that ford utilizes some licensed technology from toyota...." Typical snot response I'd expect from a guy who argued that the fulltime AWD Jaguar X-Type was "FWD biased" NOTICE: "LICENSED TECHNOLOGY FROM TOYOTA" Nothing on that car came FROM Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Coming soon….my driving review of the Fusion Hybrid. :boring: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateX Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Typical snot response I'd expect from a guy who argued that the fulltime AWD Jaguar X-Type was "FWD biased" NOTICE: "LICENSED TECHNOLOGY FROM TOYOTA" Nothing on that car came FROM Toyota. As I recall it was more of a technology swap, they licensed software from Toyota in exchange some emissions control technology. Specifically I believe that it was the software that manages blending the regenerative brakes with the friction brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 As I recall it was more of a technology swap, they licensed software from Toyota in exchange some emissions control technology. Specifically I believe that it was the software that manages blending the regenerative brakes with the friction brakes. Actually, I believe it was a patent swap. Ford already had the hybrid tech but decided it too similar to Toyota's system, so they swapped some Ford patents for the Toyota hybrid patents to avoid potential litigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Actually, I believe it was a patent swap. Ford already had the hybrid tech but decided it too similar to Toyota's system, so they swapped some Ford patents for the Toyota hybrid patents to avoid potential litigation. Yes, but Ford has publicly said that the 2010 Fusion does not use those Toyota licensed patents. They must have redesigned the software to avoid that problem. So now they can't even use that against Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I believe the accident was real. I am skeptical as to the claim that the cruise control switch caused the car to catch fire before the crash. http://www.jacksonvilleprogress.com/homepa...eadpicturestory So has there been a resolution that you know of, or is it still in litigation? When was the recall issued for the 1993 Mark VIII? How long had he owned the car? Was the driver wearting a seat belt? Where was the blunt force trauma located at (head, abdomen, etc) Just a couple items I'd like to know, to determine understand each position for the prosecution/defense. Did Ford go thru all the channels required in notifying the owner of the recall? Did the owner have a chance to have the part recalled or did they just blow it off? The loss of life is truly tragic, no matter who's at fault. But I can't say whether or not the switch was truly at fault, don't know if the poster of this story on business week is really the father or just someone trying to use his identity in the post for dramatic affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yes, but Ford has publicly said that the 2010 Fusion does not use those Toyota licensed patents. They must have redesigned the software to avoid that problem. So now they can't even use that against Ford. I never said they used the patents. Read my post again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Oh I wasn't disputing that the accident happened. I just don't see how her son's lack of attention span and horrendous driving skill has anything to do with the faulty cruise control switch. In any case, that switch was recalled years ago. VT--> <-- Delicia Lewis the car was a Mark VIII (Thunderbird) That would have been a different cruise switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Ya gotta like how he used a picture of the old Fusion too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 David Kiley is a jackass. First he says the Escape Hybrid uses pieces of Toyota's hybrid system. Then he says Toyota probably could have gotten more milage out of the Camry Hybrid if they really wanted to. Then he mentions Detroit bailouts and private jets. THEN he finally talks about the subject of the headline. What a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I never said they used the patents. Read my post again. I was agreeing with you 100%. I was also pointing out that they couldn't possibly use that against the 2010 fusion even if they wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I was agreeing with you 100%. I was also pointing out that they couldn't possibly use that against the 2010 fusion even if they wanted to. Ahhh. Sorry for the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 David Kiley is a jackass. What a tool. There, I fixed it for you. Now it works with everything he writes. :shades: I remember a while back someone saying to ignore the top half of every Kiley article. I'll do that in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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