transitman Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Its difficult for me to wrap my head around Fusion with no available V-6. Perhaps they'll do something later on about that but I'm just not sure how willing that market segment will be to accept a midsize sedan without a V-6. Time will tell. Ford is offering a V6 equivalent which has a better torque curve and fuel efficiency. Say goodbye to the old V6 as we now know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) I don't quite understand why they are loading up the SE model with most of the available options of the Titanium. Just give the option of the 1.6 and stick shift combo to the Titanium and be done with it. Same thing is happening on the 2013 Escape. By the time you load up the SEL, you come out cheaper with the features bundled already on the Titanium. Only thing you can't get is the 1.6. It's almost making trim lines irrelevant Maybe one of the reason or at least the benefit if I was in North America looking to buy the new Fusion, is with the SE you can load it up very similar to the Titanium spec's as you mention, but the plus IMO is that you are not forced to have MyFordTouch. Whereas with the Titanium there is no choice but to have MFT. Edited April 19, 2012 by MKII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Speaking of, now with the new Escape and Fusion coming on, when is the 3.0L Duratec officially being put out to pasture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Maybe one of the reason or at least the benefit if I was in North America looking to buy the new Fusion, is with the SE you can load it up very similar to the Titanium spec's as you mention, but the plus IMO is that you are not forced to have MyFordTouch. Whereas with the Titanium there is no choice but to have MFT. The problem is that a loaded out SEL often costs more then a Titanium model... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin17 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Hi BORG-- Do you see availability of cooled/ventilated seats in the Titanium or Hybrid Fusion for 2013? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) Its difficult for me to wrap my head around Fusion with no available V-6. Perhaps they'll do something later on about that but I'm just not sure how willing that market segment will be to accept a midsize sedan without a V-6. Time will tell. I-4 version accounts for around 80% of sales, sounds like Ford is confident that Ecoboost 2.0 will snare enough sales.Times are changing and you'll probably find that a 3.5 V6 AWD with 18/28 doesn't cut it anymore with buyers, so long as the EB20 gives a good V6 like response, it will do fine as the superior gas mileage is still more important these days.. Edited April 20, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 "Its difficult for me to wrap my head around Fusion with no available V-6. Perhaps they'll do something later on ... Time will tell." Welcome to the 10's, it's not the 90's V6 HP race anymore. With import makers even dropping 6's from the D segment, "time is telling" us that gas ain't cheap anymore. Most likely any V6 will come back it would be a diesel, natural gas, or hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 The one regret I have is that FNA didn't latch onto the 2.5 I-5 Turbo and apply some Ecoboost lovin' to it. That engine already fits in the Mondeo-Taurus and in EB form punched out 300 hp and 335 lb ft. I love that killer growl of the I-5T, pretty cool and a lot smoother than big pot I-4s.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Speaking of, now with the new Escape and Fusion coming on, when is the 3.0L Duratec officially being put out to pasture? AFAIK, D30 PIP was running on one line for the past two years or so for 2012 Fusion and Escape. I'd assume yes. Same as the D25 looks like it's going on it's way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Hi BORG-- Do you see availability of cooled/ventilated seats in the Titanium or Hybrid Fusion for 2013? No, only heated seats are indicated. No heated steering wheel either. I-4 version accounts for around 80% of sales, sounds like Ford is confident that Ecoboost 2.0 will snare enough sales. Times are changing and you'll probably find that a 3.5 V6 AWD with 18/28 doesn't cut it anymore with buyers, so long as the EB20 gives a good V6 like response, it will do fine as the superior gas mileage is still more important these days.. "Its difficult for me to wrap my head around Fusion with no available V-6. Perhaps they'll do something later on ... Time will tell." Welcome to the 10's, it's not the 90's V6 HP race anymore. With import makers even dropping 6's from the D segment, "time is telling" us that gas ain't cheap anymore. Most likely any V6 will come back it would be a diesel, natural gas, or hybrid. Indeed, V6 engines now need to justify their existence through more horsepower. Combine that with poorer fuel economy makes them luxury options best suited for premium vehicles (like Edge). The V6 is now an endangered species. Ford is just much farther along in this arms race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Speaking of, now with the new Escape and Fusion coming on, when is the 3.0L Duratec officially being put out to pasture? AFAIK, D30 PIP was running on one line for the past two years or so for 2012 Fusion and Escape. I'd assume yes. Same as the D25 looks like it's going on it's way too. Was it in anything besides the Escape & Fusion? I can't think of anything. Looks like the D30 is dead. That's too bad, it was a good engine. Oh well, long live the EB 2.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Was it in anything besides the Escape & Fusion? I can't think of anything. Looks like the D30 is dead. That's too bad, it was a good engine. Oh well, long live the EB 2.0! Yep, the D30 dies with the Fusion this summer. It's a very old engine, dates back to the 1996 Taurus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Was it in anything besides the Escape & Fusion? I can't think of anything. Looks like the D30 is dead. That's too bad, it was a good engine. Oh well, long live the EB 2.0! Just the two and it was Cleveland Number 1 IIRC. Yes the D30 was an excellent engine. So was it's predessor the D25 (V6) in the Contour/Mystique/Cougar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Someone please say there's a EB23 coming out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 Someone please say there's a EB23 coming out! There's an EB 2.7 coming out, so I would say no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes the 'NANO'. However, there was a 2.3 EB shown at SEMA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosetang Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Yes the 'NANO'. However, there was a 2.3 EB shown at SEMA. Would make a pretty acceptable Fusion SHO engine if they stick to their "no V6" guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) ^ exactly ergo the rumored 2.3 4cyl in EB form should be good for around 300hp Indeed, V6 engines now... ...makes them luxury options best suited for premium vehicles (like LINCOLN)... fixed ^ Edited April 21, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Indeed, V6 engines now need to justify their existence through more horsepower. Combine that with poorer fuel economy makes them luxury options best suited for premium vehicles (like Edge). The V6 is now an endangered species. Ford is just much farther along in this arms race. I get the feeling that GM and Chrysler are pleased that their new vehicles "keep pace" with Ford's out going 2012 models. Good to see Ford starting to take the lead on trends, they have paid their dues and now it's time to set the pace... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm just dying to see how the new Impala will work with 184HP....Moooooo. But yes, its as Ford comes out with the latest tech, and GM's new products enter with old tech tweaked. Supposedly they have a boosted 3.0L they are coming out to compete with Fords 3.5L, but if it's anything related to the 2.8L Saab boosted mess they started using 2 years ago, they will self-granade themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 ^ exactly ergo the rumored 2.3 4cyl in EB form should be good for around 300hp I may be in the minority here, but if they're going for only 300 hp, I'd just as soon opt for the D37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I get the feeling that GM and Chrysler are pleased that their new vehicles "keep pace" with Ford's out going 2012 models. Good to see Ford starting to take the lead on trends, they have paid their dues and now it's time to set the pace... I just was on the Dogde Dart site and I got to say, it has lot's of potential. A larger centre screen and a better user-friendly 'Uconnect' that critics are appealed to (I have to find the citation), good choices for exterior and interior trims. Great powertrain options. I think if a hatchback version was available it would be better at gunning at Focus. I feel Chrysler has a harder hill to climb in this market because of foreign competition more then anything else. GM, I haven't a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm just dying to see how the new Impala will work with 184HP....Moooooo. But yes, its as Ford comes out with the latest tech, and GM's new products enter with old tech tweaked. Supposedly they have a boosted 3.0L they are coming out to compete with Fords 3.5L, but if it's anything related to the 2.8L Saab boosted mess they started using 2 years ago, they will self-granade themselves. Impala with a 4 reminds me of the Five Hundred with the good old D30. Adequate is the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I may be in the minority here, but if they're going for only 300 hp, I'd just as soon opt for the D37. I don't see why not. Is it just me or I have the feeling Ford will pull a all-new powertrain introduction (NANO) in the MKZ the next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) I may be in the minority here, but if they're going for only 300 hp, I'd just as soon opt for the D37. well, EB is supposed to get upto 140hp per liter so guess the 2.3 could be 325hp...<br>...I kinda expect 2 tuning levels like in Europe: 260-280hp and 300-325hp<p> <br><P> ...Is it just me or I have the feeling Ford will pull a all-new powertrain introduction (NANO) in the MKZ the next year? I hope so TOO<br>&<br> by the same 140hp-per-L: 2.7EB = 378hp (tho I usually say upto 350hp)imho the power difference from Ford's 2.3EB won't be that large<br> but the extra cylinders is the point (& the reason to keep exclusive if possible to Lincoln at least for a while.<br> Imho2, the 2.7EB could go into EVERY Lincoln model.<br> <p><BR> having weirdness with the post editor function last nite & just now Edited April 21, 2012 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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