jpd80 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Bob Rosadini said: Hah-to say nothing about how well Trumps meeting goes tomorrow with Erdogan? Others have posted that the certification is a very expensive process. It is, basically everything has to be redone, nothing is acceptable as a copy paste from euro certification and nor should it be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 Goodbye Ford. Hino Trucks Unveils New Class 4-7 Models | Transport Topics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hey guys...real quick. If you're a Beatle fan, go to the Social/Lounge forum to my "Sgt. Pepper done live" thread. Check it out. (Hint: no synthesizers!) It's the most amazing thing you'll ever see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 Did anybody see Tesla's triangle pickup truck? What a joke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 GM is suing FCA because they underhandedly worked out better deals with the union. Seems Ford should be suing them because NOW I know how Ram sales are beating Ford in class 3 thru 5...........by allowing them to dump Rams because their costs are lower! Aha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Cummins laying off 2000 employees due to class 8 weak sales https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/cummins-the-largest-maker-of-truck-engines-in-the-us-announces-2-000-layoffs/ar-BBXjGDw?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280 Edited November 26, 2019 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: Cummings laying off 2000 employees due to class 8 weak sales https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/cummins-the-largest-maker-of-truck-engines-in-the-us-announces-2-000-layoffs/ar-BBXjGDw?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280 FTFY! Sorry, that irritates me, especially from the Ram fanboys who can't even spell the name of the engine they've got under the hood! Edited November 26, 2019 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherminator98 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: FTFY! Sorry, that irritates me, especially from the Ram fanboys who can't even spell the name of the engine they've got under the hood! that’s what I get for posting from my phone ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Latest HDT sales chart show YTD Class 7, Hino 1635, Ford 2093. YTD Class 6 Hino 5686, Ford 17053! But is that a mistake? Because next in Class 6 is International with 16704 and Freightliner with 15695! Huh??!! Bluebird will be offering electric Vision school buses with Cummins all electric drive. IMO, this should have been Ford powered but Ford wasn't ready apparently. How it will hurt their Ford/Roush propane sales for the Vision line remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) According to Tow Times magazine, some interesting data: The percentage of companies that have at least one of these brands in light duty category is as follows: Ford 63%, Ram/Dodge 39%, GM (Chev/GMC) 45%, Hino 13%, Isuzu 4%. In medium duty: Intern'l 42%, Freight 35%, Ford 27%, Paccar 36% (with Pete and KW each at 18%). Hino and GM are far behind. In class 8, Paccar again with each brand about 40% is a whopping 80%! Freight 25%, Intern'l 20%, Mack/Volvo 15%. Also, Ford Otosan has signed an agreement with European truck and trailer giant Tip Trailer Services for aftersales services in Western Europe, where they currently don't exist. I'm not sure I understand that. Edited November 28, 2019 by Joe771476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Joe771476 said: According to Tow Times magazine, some interesting data: The percentage of companies that have at least one of these brands in light duty category is as follows: Ford 63%, Ram/Dodge 39%, GM (Chev/GMC) 45%, Hino 13%, Isuzu 4%. In medium duty: Intern'l 42%, Freight 35%, Ford 27%, Paccar 36% (with Pete and KW each at 18%). Hino and GM are far behind. In class 8, Paccar again with each brand about 40% is a whopping 80%! Freight 25%, Intern'l 20%, Mack/Volvo 15%. Also, Ford Otosan has signed an agreement with European truck and trailer giant Tip Trailer Services for aftersales services in Western Europe, where they currently don't exist. I'm not sure I understand that. Well, they are selling them as far west as Poland. A truck sold to a Polish shipping company is still going to travel to Spain or whatever and may need servicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Joe771476 said: According to Tow Times magazine, some interesting data: The percentage of companies that have at least one of these brands in light duty category is as follows: Ford 63%, Ram/Dodge 39%, GM (Chev/GMC) 45%, Hino 13%, Isuzu 4%. In medium duty: Intern'l 42%, Freight 35%, Ford 27%, Paccar 36% (with Pete and KW each at 18%). Hino and GM are far behind. In class 8, Paccar again with each brand about 40% is a whopping 80%! Freight 25%, Intern'l 20%, Mack/Volvo 15%. Also, Ford Otosan has signed an agreement with European truck and trailer giant Tip Trailer Services for aftersales services in Western Europe, where they currently don't exist. I'm not sure I understand that. Joe, Not arguing with Tow Times stats, but around here, I would say Hino is doing a very good job in class 6 and 7 when it comes to roll backs. There is a Jerr Dan dealer one town over from me and his yard was full of Hino's a month ago. Also quite a few Paccars and starting to see more 650's. I'm just waiting for the 7.3's to start coming down the line at OAP. I think these are going to be big sellers. Class 4 and 5 -Super Duty is king! Waiting for the Chevy/International JV's to start showing up. As for your comment on Tip servicing Ford F-Max tractors in western Europe, sounds like the quickest way for Ford Otosan to be able they have the service issue "covered.". Although I have to say, would I be comfortable having some guy who is totally comfortable troubleshooting a trailer electrical issue working on a new technology diesel fuel system? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 8:39 AM, fordmantpw said: FTFY! Sorry, that irritates me, especially from the Ram fanboys who can't even spell the name of the engine they've got wish they had under the hood! FIFY, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeGoose Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 3:51 PM, Joe771476 said: Did anybody see Tesla's triangle pickup truck? What a joke! Its cool for the gimmick factor, but will never be a main stream design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipnzap Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 How big of a deal is this? https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/68418-the-transit-cutaway-apparently-has-awd-isnt-this-a-pretty-huge-deal/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edselford Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Well with the Romeo plant closing, I suspect ford would retool the 6.2V8 block machining line to make higher volumes of the 7.3 family! Ford could easily create a 6.6 V8 utilizing the 7.3 stroke of 101mm and a bore of 102mm. Another benefit is a savings per unit of about $135 going from SOC to push rod! edselford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 The 7.3 V8 looks to be the engine size that Ford wants, the 6.2 will disappear and Ford will get a nice increase in base truck prices. A case of less is more for Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, edselford said: Well with the Romeo plant closing, I suspect ford would retool the 6.2V8 block machining line to make higher volumes of the 7.3 family! Ford could easily create a 6.6 V8 utilizing the 7.3 stroke of 101mm and a bore of 102mm. Another benefit is a savings per unit of about $135 going from SOC to push rod! edselford I heard that the 7.3L shares bore centers with the 6.2L. If that is true, shared tooling between the 2 engine families might be the explanation why. I agree that a smaller version of the 7.3L would make a good 6.2L replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, 7Mary3 said: I heard that the 7.3L shares bore centers with the 6.2L. If that is true, shared tooling between the 2 engine families might be the explanation why. I agree that a smaller version of the 7.3L would make a good 6.2L replacement. Nope, it’s a little wider 117mm (4.63”) the deck height is higher too Edited December 26, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 A V6 variant of the 7.3 with no bore or stroke changes would yield a engine size of just under 5.5 liters in size but the question would lead to if the architecture could handle the vibrations a V6 has that would call for a counter balance shaft to cancel out. Cost savings of dropping down to a V6 could be lost when attenuating the issues that would crop up as a result of lopping off 2 cylinders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 the reason Ford is ending the 6.2 is because it knows that most buyers will want the 7.3. So depending on customer needs, I’d say the the 6.2 is now seen as a little small In terms of engine capacity to keep its place, even GM has stepped up to 6.6 litres as a minimum in the 2500s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 11 hours ago, jpd80 said: Nope, it’s a little wider 117mm (4.63”) the deck height is higher too Where did you find this information? I initially heard bore spacing was 117mm, but more reliable information says it is actually 115mm. Also, I have not seen any information on deck height. I have seen a cut-away 7.3L in person, but unfortunately didn't have anything to measure it with at the time. I will say a casual observation seems to indicate there is not much room for growth in the 7.3L (the crank throws and counterweights come close to crankcase sides, cylinder bores are close) but at 7.3L, there isn't much need to go larger. Smaller is another story altogether! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 12 hours ago, twintornados said: A V6 variant of the 7.3 with no bore or stroke changes would yield a engine size of just under 5.5 liters in size but the question would lead to if the architecture could handle the vibrations a V6 has that would call for a counter balance shaft to cancel out. Cost savings of dropping down to a V6 could be lost when attenuating the issues that would crop up as a result of lopping off 2 cylinders. Just put those six cylinders in a row. Problem solved! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, 7Mary3 said: Where did you find this information? I initially heard bore spacing was 117mm, but more reliable information says it is actually 115mm. Also, I have not seen any information on deck height. I have seen a cut-away 7.3L in person, but unfortunately didn't have anything to measure it with at the time. I will say a casual observation seems to indicate there is not much room for growth in the 7.3L (the crank throws and counterweights come close to crankcase sides, cylinder bores are close) but at 7.3L, there isn't much need to go larger. Smaller is another story altogether! Bore is 4.22” Stroke is 3.976” Hot Rod spoke to Blaine Ramsey who is Ford’s supervisor of large gas and diesel development. They recon this was Brian Wolfe”s baby and apparently, he’s an avid drag racer. Once Ford gets rid of the 6.2, the new base price is roughly $2,000 higher. Fits their MO perfectly. Edited December 27, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 12 hours ago, Sevensecondsuv said: Just put those six cylinders in a row. Problem solved! Then it wouldn't really be a variant now would it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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