RichardJensen Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 So it likely won't perform as well as the current generation Mazda6 even with such powertrain upgrades. Highest Transasction Prices In The Segment. Here's a tip: The OTHER manufacturers need to figure out what FORD is doing right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The Fusion has the highest ATP in the segment, and does not have a V6. So Fusion not only has mediocre powertrains, but is also the most expensive vehicle in its segment? That's not an appealing combination for prospective midsize sedan customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 So Fusion not only has mediocre powertrains, but is also the most expensive vehicle in its segment? That's not an appealing combination for prospective midsize sedan customers. Wow, do you argue just for the sake of arguing? Or do you just not get it? According to you, the Fusion should sell around 0 due to the complete mediocrity of its engine and its high price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 He's just being stupid troll.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) So Fusion not only has mediocre powertrains, but is also the most expensive vehicle in its segment? That's not an appealing combination for prospective midsize sedan customers. Perhaps............... .........and I know this is a stretch for you............................. But it's just possible............................... It might be the case that................ You don't have your finger on the pulse of this segment. What *you* want is not what *buyers* want. --- Of course, Ford can't afford to be complacent. But what Ford needs to do to maintain their competitive advantage may not necessarily be what you want them to do. --- And, by the way, let's all take a moment and reflect on the fact that Ford now has a definite competitive advantage in this segment, and that this is the first time this has happened in *years*. Edited November 4, 2014 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That's not an appealing combination for prospective midsize sedan customers. It must be since they're selling 22K/month and setting sales records. You need to realize that what you want is not what the average midsized sedan buyer wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think a Fusion Wagon would generate more sales than a more powerful engine. If i remember correctly the mix for the 3.5 on the last fusion was ~7% while the wagon on the last Focus was ~15%. I would like to see a Wet DCT mated to the EB2.3 as the power pack for the Fusion ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ford says 4%-8% for the previous Focus wagon: http://www.autosavant.com/2010/03/02/ford-shows-focus-wagon-at-geneva/ And if memory serves, that was mostly to fleet customers, as they announced the cancellation of the wagon on the fleet page, not the general site: http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/03/rip-ford-focus-wagon/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think a Fusion Wagon would generate more sales than a more powerful engine. What you think and what North American buyers think are two entirely different things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Any type of wagon for some reason does not particularly sell well in the North American market....why?? Maybe it is because SUVs and CUVs compete for the same customers and America is just plain in love with their SUVs/CUVs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Lets not mention the Escape (Focus Wagon) and Edge (Fusion wagon) both have higher starting MSRPs and demand then a wagon version of the Focus or Fusion ever would. Hey I'd love a Fusion ST Wagon when I have kids, but hey not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Any type of wagon for some reason does not particularly sell well in the North American market....why?? Maybe it is because SUVs and CUVs compete for the same customers and America is just plain in love with their SUVs/CUVs... Its because they got stigmatized just like Minivans did. The last successful wagon IIRC was the Taurus Station wagon back in the mid to late 1980s. Once the Explorer took off in 1991, it killed the wagon market and the minivan market to an extent. Edited November 4, 2014 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 There is nothing wrong with 2.0EB power wise or fuel consumption wise. The supposed problem with MPG can only be fixed with better transmission and reduced weight. Ford needs to get the 9 speed auto in the car sooner rather than later. As for an optional engine above the 2.0 EB, I'm of the opinion that Ford has the market figured out much better than blueoval forum... the up-sale in this segment is hybrid and PHEV and Ford is leading the pack here. These models are the reason why Fusion has the highest ATP in the segment. Fusion hybrid is outselling Camry hybrid, and Fusion PHEV is outselling Accord PHEV. Enough said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Its because they got stigmatized just like Minivans did. I don't think wagons were ever stagmatized. I think 'Muricans just fell in love with SUVs in the early 90s which then spawned CUVs when people wanted a similar style but better ride quality and fuel economy. A lot of folks (my wife included) prefers the taller seating height of a utility and would not consider a wagon. In Europe it's the opposite. Dodge tried the Magnum. Why did it get cancelled? Because nobody bought them - they bought utilities instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Huh?? The difference between an FWD and AWD Fusion 2L is 1 MPG Combined and 2 MPG on the highway. About a 7% difference highway. Taurus has more of a difference, but its also an older car. Edge and Explorer suffer the same as the Taurus, but they also are older. I may have been thinking about those three vehicles and cast aspersions on Fusion (and Escape) because of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I don't think wagons were ever stagmatized. I think 'Muricans just fell in love with SUVs in the early 90s which then spawned CUVs when people wanted a similar style but better ride quality and fuel economy. A lot of folks (my wife included) prefers the taller seating height of a utility and would not consider a wagon. In Europe it's the opposite. Dodge tried the Magnum. Why did it get cancelled? Because nobody bought them - they bought utilities instead. Wagons were stigmatized once the minivan came out. Minivans were stigmatized once SUVs/CUVs became popular. Coincidentally, the wagon became the hipster mobile that everyone started begging for even though they didn't plan to buy one. Heck, even Volvo barely sells wagons Stateside anymore. That's telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Edge and Explorer suffer the same as the Taurus, but they also are older. I may have been thinking about those three vehicles and cast aspersions on Fusion (and Escape) because of that. In the grand scheme of things, how much money is it going to cost you extra a year? maybe $10 bucks a month? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-S Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Since they already build the Fusion wagon for the European Markets, could Ford not import some of them for the USA even if the numbers they sell were small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Since they already build the Fusion wagon for the European Markets, could Ford not import some of them for the USA even if the numbers they sell were small? no. Two words - Chicken Tax. Would KILL any chance of making a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 no. Two words - Chicken Tax. Would KILL any chance of making a profit. The Chicken Tax doesn't apply to cars, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The Chicken Tax doesn't apply to cars, does it? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it applies to wagons, trucks and vans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it applies to wagons, trucks and vans. I think the seating agrament is the key part...2 seats-Chicken tax...4 seats-no chicken tax...why the Subaru Brat had seats in the back of it and why Ford got nailed with the Transit Connect with the chicken tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The Chicken Tax only applies to light trucks and not passenger vehicles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think the seating agrament is the key part...2 seats-Chicken tax...4 seats-no chicken tax...why the Subaru Brat had seats in the back of it and why Ford got nailed with the Transit Connect with the chicken tax. Right. The Transit Connects being shipped over had windows and 2nd row seating, which made them "wagons", and subject only to some small duty (I think there's a 2.5% duty on cars--I *think*). Ford took out the windows & seats, and converted them to "trucks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Once again, I stand corrected. Even without the chicken tax in effect, Importing a small number of Fusion/Mondeo wagons for sale in the US may not be very economical, but then again, they just built 75 C-Max Hybrids at MAP to ship to Europe to "test the market" so I guess anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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