ANTAUS Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/21/2017-lincoln-continental-debate-featured/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danglin Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/21/2017-lincoln-continental-debate-featured/ :banana piano: Guess they don't like it... But they sure like a Buick Concept (of course the Continental concept was a knockout at one time until they built a production car very close to it), Edited January 22, 2016 by danglin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Wow! That was a trashing! And the double standard mentioned over and over - This business has the irrational passion of fans and their professional sports teams. Edited January 22, 2016 by Kev-Mo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Wow! That was a trashing! And the double standard mentioned over and over - This business has the irrational passion of professional sports teams. This. 'Nuff said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The double standard and reversal of opinions is what bothers me. Don't tell me you loved the concept but hate the production version which as as close to the concept as you can practically get including the blue/chrome interior and relocated door handles. Don't tell me it's ok for every other luxury make to use the same grilles but it's not ok for Lincoln. Bash if you want but at least be consistent about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The double standard and reversal of opinions is what bothers me. Don't tell me you loved the concept but hate the production version which as as close to the concept as you can practically get including the blue/chrome interior and relocated door handles. Don't tell me it's ok for every other luxury make to use the same grilles but it's not ok for Lincoln. Bash if you want but at least be consistent about it. I think the format of just putting out the discussion without any editing creates the situation of double standards. You'll come out with an opinion and later after some thought, you can reverse yourself creating the confusion. Then again, AFAIC, I don't believe in the idea that any company is beyond reproach where they 'earned that right'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 And don't forget that this type of blogging probably generates more hits and publicity for autoblog than if they just said they liked it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 And don't forget that this type of blogging probably generates more hits and publicity for autoblog than if they just said they liked it. Which was mentioned in the comments of the blog. Someone posted all this exposure for good or bad is "good" for the Continental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't think it impacts Continental at all one way or the other. I was referring more to benefiting autoblog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 It doesn't really matter what these guys form Autoblog has to say. They maybe all in their 30s (I have no idea really) so they are not the target market for large luxury car. One consistent theme in their comments is that basically Cadillac is "doing it right" while Lincoln is "doing it wrong". A lot of pundits like to criticizes Acura or Lexus too but they just keep on selling. I would not be surprised at all if Continental outsells Lexus GS (23k in 2015) in 2016. It may not top Cadillac's combined XTS/CTS/CT6 (42k XTS/CTS in 2015) sales but who has the better profit margin here? The company with one model or the one with 3 different models? The much pilloried MKZ sold 31k last year (and 34k in 2014) and I expect the updated model to sell better. Cadillac sold 27k ATS last year (and 30k in 2014). MKZ still has a long ways to go to catch up to Lexus ES (65k) or Acura TLX (47k) but it has already beaten Cadillac pretty convincingly in the entry luxury field. So pundits can continue to talk up Cadillac (or whatever brand) but I think Lincoln will gladly take the sales from actual people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Once upon a time, editorial objectivity meant that the writer could take their own preferences out of the equation but these day with the internet, journalists think their opinion is representative of the majority of their readers/ buyers. It's not and pretending that peeves and whinges are how most people view the new Lincoln is just wrong. Edited January 22, 2016 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 These "editors" understand neither human beings nor the auto business. The idea that people with money might have tastes that differ from theirs--and that those different tastes are neither wrong nor inferior is a thought that has, seemingly, never penetrated their consciousness. The fact that bootstrapping Lincoln is a more fiscally responsible maneuver than treating it like a loss-leading image project, or a major profit driver also completely escapes their notice. The only two questions that these editors should concern themselves with are these: 1) Are Lincolns improving faster than the competition? 2) Will sufficient people buy them? Everything else is blather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 As a former FWD Continental owner.. this new Continental is disappointing in the pictures I've seen. I hope it looks better in person at the Chicago Auto show next month. I have seen the '17 MKZ and like it more than the <'16 models. Of course, 400HP, 3.0L helps..lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 As a former FWD Continental owner.. this new Continental is disappointing in the pictures I've seen. I hope it looks better in person at the Chicago Auto show next month. I have seen the '17 MKZ and like it more than the <'16 models. Of course, 400HP, 3.0L helps..lol Did you like the concept? Have you seen the darker colors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 As a former FWD Continental owner.. this new Continental is disappointing in the pictures I've seen. I hope it looks better in person at the Chicago Auto show next month. I have seen the '17 MKZ and like it more than the <'16 models. Of course, 400HP, 3.0L helps..lol What in particular is disappointing about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'm a former FWD Continental owner as well. I don't even think they are even in the same ballpark as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I'm a former FWD Continental owner as well. I don't even think they are even in the same ballpark as this. Yeah, I didn't quite get that comparison either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Maybe it was the lack of a bench seat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 lol.. 1. My Conti did have bench seats.. In fact, I like them so well I ordered it on my '16 F250 and my old '05 f350. 2. What I see in the '17 Conti is a makeover of the box looking MKS. 3. I have not looked at the specs on the two, but the '97 model seemed to have a longer and lower hood. 4. I hope the '17 sells well... but it does not beckon any passion from me to buy it. I like the MKZ much better. Maybe the coup will look better... I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 2. What I see in the '17 Conti is a makeover of the box looking MKS. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. There is not one bit of shared metal at all between the two, not to mention a completely different platform 3. I have not looked at the specs on the two, but the '97 model seemed to have a longer and lower hood. Not sure how this is relevant, but you might be right. 4. I hope the '17 sells well... but it does not beckon any passion from me to buy it. I like the MKZ much better. Hey, to each their own. I just wish they did more with the back end of the MKZ than they did. It's virtually unchanged. Maybe the coup will look better... I hope so. There won't be a coupe. If there is, it's not going to be called "Continental". It's going to be called something else. And it for sure won't show up for a while if the rumor mill is to be believed at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneekr Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 From Dan Roth: "My theory, of course, is that Ford doesn't actually want Lincoln to succeed." I think that Mr. Roth's theory can be analyzed in the context Hanlon's Razor : "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Properly managing a globally competitive luxury car portfolio has never been a strong suit for Ford Motor Company, at least in the past quarter century. So it seems to me, as it does to Autoblog editor Jonathon Ramsey, it's not that Ford doesn't want Lincoln to succeed - it simply lacks all of the organizational elements to make that happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 So it seems to me, as it does to Autoblog editor Jonathon Ramsey, it's not that Ford doesn't want Lincoln to succeed - it simply lacks all of the organizational elements to make that happen. That's right. Now, it seems that Ford is making the commitment to acquire the necessary "polish" that the pre-war marque possessed, IMHO. But it's going to take another 10 years to get things properly 'tuned'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Properly managing a globally competitive luxury car portfolio has never been a strong suit for Ford Motor Company, at least in the past quarter century. So it seems to me, as it does to Autoblog editor Jonathon Ramsey, it's not that Ford doesn't want Lincoln to succeed - it simply lacks all of the organizational elements to make that happen. But yet with GM dumping Billions on Caddy at the expense of Chevy or even Buick the way to go? Alrighty... Lincoln's biggest problem is that people can't pigeonhole it when it comes to Luxury, because its not following the almighty German example. Infiniti, Acura and to a lesser extent Lexus suffer from this and Lincoln has even worse off because of it being the de rigueur choice when it comes to limo and black car usage. On the flipside, Lincoln has the advantage of not having expectations and business model that encourages profit through the use of share platforms like the Japanese makes do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I believe the review is a bit harsh and arrogant as Lincoln wasn't paid attention to for a while and nearly shut-down. The Continental was never luxury-sport nor rwd for 30 years, the interior looks comfortable and 300-400hp is more then enough for lux-cruise buyers. I don't know if they want Lincoln turned into a tier 1 luxury maker overnight or just creating clickbait though IMO a "LincStang" coupe would give the brand showroom buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I believe the review is a bit harsh and arrogant as Lincoln wasn't paid attention to for a while and nearly shut-down. The Continental was never luxury-sport nor rwd for 30 years, the interior looks comfortable and 300-400hp is more then enough for lux-cruise buyers. I don't know if they want Lincoln turned into a tier 1 luxury maker overnight or just creating clickbait though IMO a "LincStang" coupe would give the brand showroom buzz. All Lincoln has to do is start building cars with styling cues that attract more buyers, build a reputation of nice well built cars that feel great to be in and be seen in. The performance level need only be adequate for those buyers eg 400 hp. If Lincoln is not interested in chasing down the ATS-v or CTS-V, there's little point in having a RWD based car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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