tbone Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 While I have been impatiently waiting for the 2017 Raptor to replace my current one, I was searching for new info on the order guide for the 2017, which I was told would be available in June, and came across this article suggesting a 5.0 Ecoboost being available for the Raptor. Hopefully this story hasn't been posted before, since this article is a little old, but has anyone seen this information before? Here's an exert from it: The EcoBoost 5.0 V8 program has been under development for a several years, and first made its public appearance in the Cobra Jet program in late-2012. The underlying purpose of the EcoBoost V8 project was to power the next-gen GT500. The 5.2L FPC program contributed to delaying the 5.0 EcoBoost program, but this V8 Twin-Turbo program is now on track again, and will make its debut in the next GT500 and 2018 F-150 Raptor, and could possibly become a second-motor option for the 2017 model year Raptor http://horsepowerkings.com/the-f-150-raptor-will-receive-the-ecoboost-5-0-twin-turbo-v8-in-2018/ Now granted, this story appears to be full of rumor and inuendo, but if there is truth in it, it might be enough for me to wait for the new V8. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1. I wouldn't rely on Horsepower Kings. 2. Here's where you might expect to see a 5.0L EcoBoost: http://www.KingCobraForum.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1. I wouldn't rely on Horsepower Kings. 2. Here's where you might expect to see a 5.0L EcoBoost: http://www.KingCobraForum.com The only thing I find funny about this that Ford might be (well will most likely be using) a name plate from a Mustang that was a total dog at the height of the Malize car era for its next gen top dog Mustang. Are they going to put hood graphics on it like the Firebird? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) If true, this engine will definitely end up in F650/750 as well. Edited June 17, 2016 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Here's an exert from it: The EcoBoost 5.0 V8 program has been under development for a several years, ... this V8 Twin-Turbo program is now on track again, and will make its debut in the next GT500 and 2018 F-150 Raptor ... I just don't buy it, for a couple of reasons. Look at the Coyote head. With 4 valves and a spark plug, where are they going to put the direct injector ? One of the big changes for the 2017 3.5L EcoBoost was the ADDITION of port injection. That is a HUGE cost. Why ? Because direct injection will NOT meet future particulate emissions standards without a particulate trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I just don't buy it, for a couple of reasons. Look at the Coyote head. With 4 valves and a spark plug, where are they going to put the direct injector ? One of the big changes for the 2017 3.5L EcoBoost was the ADDITION of port injection. That is a HUGE cost. Why ? Because direct injection will NOT meet future particulate emissions standards without a particulate trap. I thought the did the port injector along with direct injection to alleviate the carbon deposit problem that is happening with direct injection alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I thought the did the port injector along with direct injection to alleviate the carbon deposit problem that is happening with direct injection alone. Officially Ford says it's emissions. Carbon reduction will hopefully be a bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I thought the did the port injector along with direct injection to alleviate the carbon deposit problem that is happening with direct injection alone. From my understanding, this has not been a major issue with the EB engines due to the way they were designed and being turboed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 From my understanding, this has not been a major issue with the EB engines due to the way they were designed and being turboed. My tailpipes beg to differ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 My tailpipes beg to differ He's referring to the valves. Tailpipes are another story. Every EB tailpipe is much much worse than my squeaky clean diesel tailpipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Every DI vehicle I've seen has carbon on the tail pipe. Even without a turbo. Kia/Hundai come to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The new Explorer tailpipes were actually designed to trap the carbon build up. It's a bigger problem now that most cars have ornamental tailpipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 <p> I just don't buy it, for a couple of reasons. Look at the Coyote head. With 4 valves and a spark plug, where are they going to put the direct injector ? One of the big changes for the 2017 3.5L EcoBoost was the ADDITION of port injection. That is a HUGE cost. Why ? Because direct injection will NOT meet future particulate emissions standards without a particulate trap. Here's the thing though, there's allegedly been mules seen testing around town with turbocharged 5.0 engines in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92merc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think a 5.0EB is possible. I don't see it going into a F150. Maybe the 'Stang and Super Duty's. With new CAFE and emissions requirements, a 5.0EB would be a beast for a F150. I just don't see it happening. Not since the updated 3.5EB in the Raptor will be able to fill the need more than enough the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) I just don't buy it, for a couple of reasons. Look at the Coyote head. With 4 valves and a spark plug, where are they going to put the direct injector ? My guess would be in those flats at the bottom of the combustion chambers that you can see in the pic below. It sure looks like they have something planned but not implemented. Interestingly enough, those flats aren't there on the 5.2FPC heads, at least in the pics I've been able to find. Edited June 17, 2016 by SoonerLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) I remember the engineer in charge of Coyote saying they saved about $50/car by not having to use DI Perhaps the intention was to use side entry DI like the Cyclone V6? Edited June 18, 2016 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 DI was planned and incorporated into the 5.0L V8's design, as well as supercharging. Mention of both starts in paragraph 15 of this link. I think turbocharging would be a packaging nightmare for the Mustang. A DI supercharged 5.0L could be made very powerful and fit right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My guess would be in those flats at the bottom of the combustion chambers that you can see in the pic below. It sure looks like they have something planned but not implemented. Interestingly enough, those flats aren't there on the 5.2FPC heads, at least in the pics I've been able to find. Aren't those flats on the exhaust side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 DI was planned and incorporated into the 5.0L V8's design, as well as supercharging. Mention of both starts in paragraph 15 of this link. I think turbocharging would be a packaging nightmare for the Mustang. A DI supercharged 5.0L could be made very powerful and fit right in. but is it anymore of a nightmare on plumbing than the hundreds of thousands of V6 EBs Ford has been doing for years?Two extra cylinders does make a difference I know but is that enough to knock the idea or is a good screw blower just more compact in terms of packaging? Given the S/C Coyote has been built for years by FPV and Ford Aust. I'm sure a lot is known about making that set up uber reliable. Something is in the works for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 but is it anymore of a nightmare on plumbing than the hundreds of thousands of V6 EBs Ford has been doing for years? Two extra cylinders does make a difference I know but is that enough to knock the idea or is a good screw blower just more compact in terms of packaging? Given the S/C Coyote has been built for years by FPV and Ford Aust. I'm sure a lot is known about making that set up uber reliable. Something is in the works for sure. V8s are 90degrees between banks, V6s are 60 degrees between banks. thus V8s are wider than V6s that hurts because turbos sit on the outside of the engine which can make V8s even wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 V8s are 90degrees between banks, V6s are 60 degrees between banks. thus V8s are wider than V6s that hurts because turbos sit on the outside of the engine which can make V8s even wider. Unless that V8 is reverse flow like the 6.7L diesel in the Super Duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Unless that V8 is reverse flow like the 6.7L diesel in the Super Duty. The turbos are on the top near the back right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 The turbos are on the top near the back right? The turbo (single) is on the top in the valley, I'm not exactly sure where though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Ford did this already in 2012. http://www.stangtv.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2012-ford-racing-releases-twin-turbo-cobra-jet-concept/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Ford did this already in 2012. http://www.stangtv.com/features/sema-coverage/sema-2012-ford-racing-releases-twin-turbo-cobra-jet-concept/ The turbos have to be packed close to the exhaust manifold to meet emission regulations. The arrangement in the Cobra Jet concept will never make production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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