jpd80 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1998 - 2004 ??? 2005 - 2012 C1 2013 - 2018 C3 2019 - 2025 C2 Gen 1 Focus was C170 a different platform, the US did not switch to the new global C1 platform in 2003 individual Focus development projects called C307, C357 does not mean the platform is called C3 nor does this upgrade mean the platform will be called C2, it could still be called C1 internally but heavily revised. Chinese Escort was developed on an earlier version of C1,FAPA added a twist beam axle to lower cost. Edited April 11, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 It appears they called the current platform the Global C-car platform when it replaced C1 - instead of calling it C2. From the horses mouth - "The all-new Focus is the first vehicle globally to be based on Ford’s new C2 platform designed to enhance crash performance; deliver more interior space for Ford’s mid-size models without negatively impacting exterior dimensions; and support improved aerodynamics for better fuel-efficiency. Best-ever craftsmanship and quality is delivered following a €600 million investment at Ford’s Saarlouis assembly facility, Germany. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2018/04/10/ford-unveils-all-new-focus--most-innovative--dynamic-and-excitin.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 From the horses mouth - "The all-new Focus is the first vehicle globally to be based on Ford’s new C2 platform designed to enhance crash performance; deliver more interior space for Ford’s mid-size models without negatively impacting exterior dimensions; and support improved aerodynamics for better fuel-efficiency. Best-ever craftsmanship and quality is delivered following a €600 million investment at Ford’s Saarlouis assembly facility, Germany. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2018/04/10/ford-unveils-all-new-focus--most-innovative--dynamic-and-excitin.html I'm assuming this is a Euro "mid size models" comment, and not intended as a US comment - or did this let the cat out of the bag? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 C class size in EU is a mid size, sort of like car rentals. The current Focus is not as small as the 80s Escorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 From the horses mouth - "The all-new Focus is the first vehicle globally to be based on Ford’s new C2 platform designed to enhance crash performance; deliver more interior space for Ford’s mid-size models without negatively impacting exterior dimensions; and support improved aerodynamics for better fuel-efficiency. I was explaining why the current platform wasn’t called C2 when it debuted. We know the current one is C2. As already pointed out, in Europe and ROW these are considered mid sized vehicles. I wonder how close they are to North America/US midsized definition? It certainly looks a lot closer to Fusion size in sedan and wagon form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I'm thinking not-I think the Platinum level Fusion didn't sell, which was basically the Vignale trim. Then again I don't recall ever seeing a Fusion Sport on the road either-but its incredibly difficult to tell them apart at a glance Ford's been pushing AWD models for the past couple of years but only the SE AWD's sell much. The enthusiasts may talk a lot about the Sport AWD but they're a tough sell and pricey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) lengths 191.7 — 2014 Fusion wlb = 112.2 183.8 — Focus wagon, ALL wlb = 106.4 17?.? — Focus sedan (178.63 if same as slight 5door increase) 172.36 – Focus 5door hatch Edited April 11, 2018 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I want to buy it, i really like it, but i will not put that chicom car in my garage.....may be if the offer a norinco or polytech editions with free case of yellow box norinco in the trunk on delivery i might be so inclined.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) I wonder how close they are to North America/US midsized definition? It certainly looks a lot closer to Fusion size in sedan and wagon form. EPA size is based on interior volume and my guess is the new Focus is still going to be compact under US classification. European sizes classification (A/B/C/D etc) is more fluid because no hard measurements are actually set and defined but more of a marketing/insurance class definition. It started as a Germany insurance classification many years ago and graduate adopted across the board by all car makers. But not all EU countries had similar German expectations - for example, France, Italy, and UK had a traditional sedan size between C and D German cars... which is how C/D segment came to be - to accommodate those French/Italian/British cars. The current expectations is roughly as such: A-segment: under 4 meters (e.g. VW Up!) B-segment under 4.2 meters (e.g. VW Polo/Ford Fiesta) C-segment short (hatch) under 4.4 meters (e.g. VW Golf/Ford Focus) C-segment long (sedan/wagon) under 4.6 meters (e.g. VW Jetta/Ford Focus) D-segment under 4.8 meters (e.g. VW Passat/Ford Mondeo) E-segment under 5 meters (e.g. Audi A6) The length associated with each segment continues to grow with the model that defines those segments. For example, B-segment used to be under 4 meters, now you see lots of B-segments over 4 meters. D-segment used to be 4.5 meters but now C-segment sedans are longer than that and a few D-segment cars are close to 5 meters. So basically, in the US, as cars get larger, they continue to jump EPA classes because our measurements are fixed (e.g. Honda Accord, which started as a subcompact, then a compact, then midsize, and at one point, fullsize, and now back to midsize). While in Europe, the size definition tends to stick with the models - e.g. VW Golf/Ford Focus are C-segment family hatch, and VW Passat/Ford Mondeo are D-segment executive car, and they will stay so as long as the model exists no matter how big or small they become. Edited April 11, 2018 by bzcat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Making the rear of a Focus sedan anywhere near as good looking as a Fusion remains an impossible task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Long Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 I love the overall profile of the hatch, and I actually like the FOCUS badge on the rear, especially if they make it black on the ST. However, two details are standing out to me as almost unforgivably atrocious. First, is the sculpting in the sheet metal just below the belt line. The second is the styling of the lower front bumper/fog light area. Almost as ugly and busy as the GTIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 The second is the styling of the lower front bumper/fog light area. Almost as ugly and busy as the GTIs. In one video posted, the styling is to help with aerodynamics according to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) In one video posted, the styling is to help with aerodynamics according to Ford. just-imho *IF* that were True, there couldn't be 4-5 different lower fascias; they'd all be the optimal design. Afaik, the plastic lower fascia + "bumper" 'skin' is one of the cheapest/easiest parts to change = Q.E.D & to a significant degree, aren't That crucial for aero unless deliberately wall-like; esp. since there's probably shutters behind the center opening Edited April 12, 2018 by 2b2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 just-imho *IF* that were True, there couldn't be 4-5 different lower fascias; they'd all be the optimal design. Afaik, the plastic lower fascia + "bumper" 'skin' is one of the cheapest/easiest parts to change = Q.E.D & to a significant degree, aren't That crucial for aero unless deliberately wall-like; esp. since there's probably shutters behind the center opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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