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2020 Aviator Official power numbers revealed - higher than previously announced

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https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/12/lincoln-aviator-official-specs-more-power/

 

We were told at last year's L.A. Auto Show that the base 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 would make 400 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque. Lincoln's spec sheet shows it’s still going to make 400 horsepower, but the torque figure is now up to 415 pound-feet. We're looking at the same spec sheet, but a hat tip to CarBuzz for noticing the change first. The plug-in hybrid model has received an even larger bump to its ratings. Lincoln said it would be 450 horsepower and 600 pound-feet of torque combined, but it’s actually going to be 494 horsepower and 630 pound-feet of torque. We were a bit slack-jawed at the numbers before, and this just takes it one step further.

Lincoln still isn’t quoting any acceleration numbers, but with this amount of power, something in the 4- to 5-second range seems likely for a 0-60 mph time. It’s a legitimate shot across the bow in the German SUV horsepower wars. That said, the Aviator persona comes across as much more muscle car-like than a performance SUV meant to tackle lap times like the AMGs and M car SUVs of the world.

We don’t know the all-electric range yet, but Lincoln did tell us the size of the battery pack and the electric motor’s output. Aviator PHEVs will be working with a 13.6 kWh battery pack and a 101-horsepower electric motor. There are two modes: One is called Preserve EV, and the other is called Pure EV. Preserve EV is able to charge the battery up to 75 percent using the engine while driving, whereas Pure EV is designed to keep the car in electric-only mode. You’ll get blue accents in the Lincoln star if you buy the plug-in hybrid, too.

Some cool headlight technology is coming to the Aviator in the form of optional adaptive pixel LED headlights. Lincoln says it’s capable of speed-dependent lighting, which adjusts the beam based on your speed. At fast speeds, Lincoln says more light is directed at the road, while driving at low speeds disperses it wider to cover more area directly in front of the vehicle.

We’ll be driving the new Aviator soon, so look out for our first drive impressions coming later this month.

WOW.  Some very impressive numbers and higher than was said before.

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Speaking for the non GT version, Ford is definitely under rating the torque on the 3.0.  Livernois just came out with a tune for the ST and baseline was 321hp (78hp loss or 20%) and tq was 405 (10tq loss or 2.5%).  Factoring about 20% loss in tq too, that puts it more in the 500tq range.  

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2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

"Aviator PHEVs will be working with a 13.6 kWh battery pack and a 101-horsepower electric motor."

Well those are Very disappointing numbers.  That is a smaller battery than what they are putting in the Ford Escape PHEV!  Moving around in all electric mode with a 101 hp electric motor  and all that weight is going to be as exciting as watching paint dry.  . Chrysler puts a bigger battery in their Pacifica  minivan and has 2 electric motors 114 hp + 84 hp and starts @ $25,000 less.  If these numbers are true that  is a failure on Lincoln

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, msm859 said:

 

 

LOL You miss the important part:

494 horsepower and 630 pound-feet of torque

This isn't a hybrid for gas mileage-its for adding power

If your trying to compare a minivan to a luxury CUV...well you'll have problems. The Pacifica starts at 40K or so, the Aviator GT is nearly 20K higher then that. 

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1 minute ago, silvrsvt said:

 

LOL You miss the important part:

494 horsepower and 630 pound-feet of torque

This isn't a hybrid for gas mileage-its for adding power

If your trying to compare a minivan to a luxury CUV...well you'll have problems. 

If that was Fords goal then they are misguided.  Ford needs a "green" option. The PHEV should be for gas mileage AND a real all electric mode.  The comparison to the minivan was a vehicle of similar size/weight to show a realistic need for battery size and electric motor hp.  The $25,000+ base price difference should cover the "luxury CUV" difference.  Heck Ford is putting a bigger battery in their Escape PHEV.  Sorry these numbers do not impress.

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44 minutes ago, msm859 said:

If that was Fords goal then they are misguided.  Ford needs a "green" option. The PHEV should be for gas mileage AND a real all electric mode.  The comparison to the minivan was a vehicle of similar size/weight to show a realistic need for battery size and electric motor hp.  The $25,000+ base price difference should cover the "luxury CUV" difference.  Heck Ford is putting a bigger battery in their Escape PHEV.  Sorry these numbers do not impress.

Says you? Quit whining and enjoy the power. This is a joyous occasion. Lincoln is officially at the adult table now. 

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5 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said:

Says you? Quit whining and enjoy the power. This is a joyous occasion. Lincoln is officially at the adult table now. 

He can't help it.  He has a very specific requirement that doesn't fit Lincoln's vision, therefore it's a failure.

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If using the Volvo XC90 T8 as a reference, it has a 10.4 kw battery and a 17 miles range. The Aviator GT, with a 13.6 kw battery, should have a 22 mile pure EV range, not too bad. 

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Ford will have a green option. It’s called the Mach-E and I’m sure Lincoln will get its own variant too. 

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The battery in the Escape PHEV is is only 0.8 kwh bigger, plus its front wheel drive only... leaving more room under the rear seats for a bigger battery.  The Aviator GT is an efficient AWD powerhouse while the Escape PHEV is an extra efficient people mover... different strokes for different folks!!

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2 hours ago, akirby said:

He can't help it.  He has a very specific requirement that doesn't fit Lincoln's vision, therefore it's a failure.

Mostly correct.

 However, Ford intends to export the Aviator to China - the largest auto market in the world.  A minimum 50 km range for a PHEV is very important in China. https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/China_NEV_mandate_PolicyUpdate _20180525.pdf

I would like to think Lincoln's "vision" would be to be highly competitive in that market.  Not only is the battery they are using too small to achieve that, I suspect it is too small in the US to achieve the maximum $7500 tax credit.  I would also suspect that the increased cost of going to a 17kWh + battery (which would probably get the 50 km range) is less than the increased tax credit and if so, would make the actual purchase price LESS with the bigger battery. So failing to meet minimum requirements in the largest auto market and failing to maximize the available tax credit is well..........

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I seriously doubt that cost was the determining factor for limiting the battery size to 13.6 kwh and leaving it about $1000 short of the maximum tax credit.  There were other very important design eliments that may have limited the available space for a bigger battery.  Like: the rear drive layout with uncompromising rear suspension setup very similar to the Mustangs; the 19 gallon full tank and PHEV battery under each side of the car that allow the exact same inerior space as the gas only models (have you seen the hideous trunk layout in a Fusion Hybrid); and an efficient PHEV system that instead of compromising performance over the gas only models... it blows them away!!!  Talk about having your cake and eating it too... the Aviator GT is looking like a true game changer!!!  In addition Lincoln knows that battery sizes will continue to shrink as the technology advances, so they'll be able to increase battery capacity within the same footprint in future model years... and current owners could probably upgrade if so desired.

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54 minutes ago, CoolScoop said:

I seriously doubt that cost was the determining factor for limiting the battery size to 13.6 kwh and leaving it about $1000 short of the maximum tax credit.  There were other very important design eliments that may have limited the available space for a bigger battery.  Like: the rear drive layout with uncompromising rear suspension setup very similar to the Mustangs; the 19 gallon full tank and PHEV battery under each side of the car that allow the exact same inerior space as the gas only models (have you seen the hideous trunk layout in a Fusion Hybrid); and an efficient PHEV system that instead of compromising performance over the gas only models... it blows them away!!!  Talk about having your cake and eating it too... the Aviator GT is looking like a true game changer!!!  In addition Lincoln knows that battery sizes will continue to shrink as the technology advances, so they'll be able to increase battery capacity within the same footprint in future model years... and current owners could probably upgrade if so desired.

Hope it is only $1,000 being left on the table.  Have not seen the trunk of a Fusion Hybrid, but that only tells me Ford should have known before hand and designed the new platform to be able to accept a larger battery.  The closest competitor to the Aviator GT is the Range Rover Sport PHEV.  It has a 13.1 kWh battery and a more powerful electric motor.  The reviews are coming in and they are not good.  A serious miss on the electric side.  Doubtful that the Aviator GT will be a true game changer with these specs.  Motorheads will love to cite the hp and torque numbers but the reviews in the other half of the world may not be as kind.  We will see.

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Ouch!

My chin just hit the floor.⤵️

494hp and 630lbs. is certainly more than expected. When they said 'more than 450/600', I thought 'yeah, 455/605'.

In regards to battery-size:

From DAY ONE, Lincoln said this would be focused on PERFORMANCE and NOT efficiency!

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9 hours ago, msm859 said:

Hope it is only $1,000 being left on the table.  Have not seen the trunk of a Fusion Hybrid, but that only tells me Ford should have known before hand and designed the new platform to be able to accept a larger battery.  The closest competitor to the Aviator GT is the Range Rover Sport PHEV.  It has a 13.1 kWh battery and a more powerful electric motor.  The reviews are coming in and they are not good.  A serious miss on the electric side.  Doubtful that the Aviator GT will be a true game changer with these specs.  Motorheads will love to cite the hp and torque numbers but the reviews in the other half of the world may not be as kind.  We will see.

Do you even know what your talking about? The Explorer/Aviator are brand new platforms that have the battery mounted between the passenger seat and rear seat.  There is zero intrusion into the passenger space. 

Guess what your doing? Your comparing a Ranger Rover to a Lincoln! That is great for Lincoln...and the RR Sport PHEV is only rated at 398 HP, which is combined power of its electric motor and ICE. The Lincoln blows it away power wise and starts at $10K less then the RR PHEV.

What reviews are you talking about?

Just because its a "miss" according to you because it doesn't hit your electrification wants-doesn't mean its a miss. If you have such a hard on for that, wait for the Lincoln verison of the Mach E or whatever they are calling it. The hybrid Aviator is more or less performance/value adder for the model.

 

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15 hours ago, Wheeling said:

If using the Volvo XC90 T8 as a reference, it has a 10.4 kw battery and a 17 miles range. The Aviator GT, with a 13.6 kw battery, should have a 22 mile pure EV range, not too bad. 

...and like the Aviator, electrification of the XC90 T8 is all about a power and performance boost, not about all-electric motoring.

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12 hours ago, msm859 said:

Mostly correct.

 However, Ford intends to export the Aviator to China - the largest auto market in the world.  A minimum 50 km range for a PHEV is very important in China. https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/China_NEV_mandate_PolicyUpdate _20180525.pdf

I would like to think Lincoln's "vision" would be to be highly competitive in that market.  Not only is the battery they are using too small to achieve that, I suspect it is too small in the US to achieve the maximum $7500 tax credit.  I would also suspect that the increased cost of going to a 17kWh + battery (which would probably get the 50 km range) is less than the increased tax credit and if so, would make the actual purchase price LESS with the bigger battery. So failing to meet minimum requirements in the largest auto market and failing to maximize the available tax credit is well..........

You raise a good point here. If Lincoln had been able to hit its other design goals while also meeting China's minimum all-electric range requirement (understanding that few in their right minds would actually drive this performance SUV as a BEV), it would be even better. But if they had to compromise between range and performance, they made the right choice ... for this vehicle.

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24 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

You raise a good point here. If Lincoln had been able to hit its other design goals while also meeting China's minimum all-electric range requirement (understanding that few in their right minds would actually drive this performance SUV as a BEV), it would be even better. But if they had to compromise between range and performance, they made the right choice ... for this vehicle.

Keep in mind, we do not know anything about the battery.  Ford recently partnered with a company that is pioneering new high density batteries.  This could be the first model with the new batteries.  Comparing any battery to an older technology is like say a 289cu block today nets the same HP as a 1980 289cu block.  It may hit the range, we'll have to wait and see.😀

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15 hours ago, CoolScoop said:

The battery in the Escape PHEV is is only 0.8 kwh bigger, plus its front wheel drive only... leaving more room under the rear seats for a bigger battery.  The Aviator GT is an efficient AWD powerhouse while the Escape PHEV is an extra efficient people mover... different strokes for different folks!!

You know what he could also get?  The Corsair PHEV that'll use Escape's system.

14 hours ago, msm859 said:

Mostly correct.

 However, Ford intends to export the Aviator to China - the largest auto market in the world.  A minimum 50 km range for a PHEV is very important in China. https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/China_NEV_mandate_PolicyUpdate _20180525.pdf

I would like to think Lincoln's "vision" would be to be highly competitive in that market.  Not only is the battery they are using too small to achieve that, I suspect it is too small in the US to achieve the maximum $7500 tax credit.  I would also suspect that the increased cost of going to a 17kWh + battery (which would probably get the 50 km range) is less than the increased tax credit and if so, would make the actual purchase price LESS with the bigger battery. So failing to meet minimum requirements in the largest auto market and failing to maximize the available tax credit is well..........

I'm glad you know the exact performance specs and EV range of Aviator.

Maybe they were able to meet those requirements with the setup they have developed?

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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

Do you even know what your talking about? The Explorer/Aviator are brand new platforms that have the battery mounted between the passenger seat and rear seat.  There is zero intrusion into the passenger space. 

Guess what your doing? Your comparing a Ranger Rover to a Lincoln! That is great for Lincoln...and the RR Sport PHEV is only rated at 398 HP, which is combined power of its electric motor and ICE. The Lincoln blows it away power wise and starts at $10K less then the RR PHEV.

What reviews are you talking about?

Just because its a "miss" according to you because it doesn't hit your electrification wants-doesn't mean its a miss. If you have such a hard on for that, wait for the Lincoln verison of the Mach E or whatever they are calling it. The hybrid Aviator is more or less performance/value adder for the model.

 

Yes, I know where the battery is.  One person opined the battery may be small because of space limitations.

The reviews on the RR PHEV are in and they are not good. It does not have the range claimed and has problems with transitioning  between ICE and electric - and it has a 141 hp electric motor.  Ford may do better with seamlessness but they have a driving mode EV be interesting to see how that works in the real world with only 101 hp.  And if you are saying the PHEV is about added performance than said mode seems like a gimmick.

People are excited about these hp numbers but the devil is always in the details.  I was hopping Ford was going for a grand slam.  The total hp is fine but more of it should have been on the electric side.  And for people who want the "rush" of power that would be a better experience.  

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14 minutes ago, msm859 said:

Yes, I know where the battery is.  One person opined the battery may be small because of space limitations.

The reviews on the RR PHEV are in and they are not good. It does not have the range claimed and has problems with transitioning  between ICE and electric - and it has a 141 hp electric motor.  Ford may do better with seamlessness but they have a driving mode EV be interesting to see how that works in the real world with only 101 hp.  And if you are saying the PHEV is about added performance than said mode seems like a gimmick.

People are excited about these hp numbers but the devil is always in the details.  I was hopping Ford was going for a grand slam.  The total hp is fine but more of it should have been on the electric side.  And for people who want the "rush" of power that would be a better experience.  

I am guessing when I say this, so there is a chance you might be right but......I think you are way off on thinking this won't be have the performance rush of power. This will be the quickest Lincoln to date. Actually, it will be the fastest CUV Ford has ever created. If you can get over not having the battery that you want (not sure if you can), think about that for a second.

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