ANTAUS Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Autoblog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 This has been known for like a year now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 They ran the same damn article in Dec 2018. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/14/ford-focus-pickup-spy-photos/ HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Is this supposed to be a baby bronco truck or something different? The article mentioned South America so I’m guessing something different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) There is no baby Bronco truck, rumor is that the Prototype has a 2.0 I-4 gas engine and 8F24 trans... looks to be on a Russian variant of C2 Edited September 18, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 And my sources say this is NOT being developed in Australia or by FAPA. Ford Europe is home room developer of C2 products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 And my sources say this is NOT being developed in Australia or by FAPA. Ford Europe is home room developer of C2 products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Is this supposed to be a baby bronco truck or something different? The article mentioned South America so I’m guessing something different? Yes, it seems that it is not a baby Bronco truck. Its code P758 (or something similar) is paired up with a crossover CX758 whose code is different to baby Bronco's CX430. My guess is that this could be an US replacement for the Ecosport and slot between Territory and Escape in South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, jpd80 said: There is no baby Bronco truck, rumor is that the Prototype has a 2.0 I-4 gas engine and 8F24 trans... looks to be on a Russian variant of C2 What does one mean by Russian C2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 5 hours ago, passis said: What does one mean by Russian C2? From the attached link, Quote https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/ford-focus-ute?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Wheels_edm190913&utm_term=list_wheels_newsletter However, Wheels has seen engineering documents from within Ford’s You Yangs proving ground that show the company is working on a ute project using traditional car underpinnings. Codenamed P758, the prototype uses the Ford Focus C2 platform, with the Blue Oval yet to decide on what the pick-up’s nameplate will be. The document reveals that the prototype is powered by a 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol, mated to an 8F24 eight-speed automatic transmission. Quote The secret engineering document reveals that a Russian-market derivative of the C2 platform is used as the base for the test vehicle, which is being used to evaluate chassis components. This is of particular interest, as earlier this year the Blue Oval announced it would be leaving the Eastern European market, ceding control over its Russian joint venture to business partner Sollers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Thanks. I had seen that report you mention. But to be honest, Im still curious about this Russian C2 and how it differs from a proper C2. Would it be something like Toyota and Dahiatsu tnga and dnga architectures?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, passis said: Thanks. I had seen that report you mention. But to be honest, Im still curious about this Russian C2 and how it differs from a proper C2. Would it be something like Toyota and Dahiatsu tnga and dnga architectures?... C2 is the current Focus platform IIRC The C architecture is what the new Focus/Escape/Baby Bronco and what not is being called-I don't think Ford is really breaking them out anymore directly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I think the Russian version was cheaper - cheaper suspension e.g. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I had been told the Bronco truck is based off the Bronco proper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pictor Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 That would make sense as the bronco is baseball on the ranger, now if it was a bronco jr pick up truck...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, ausrutherford said: I had been told the Bronco truck is based off the Bronco proper. It's still not been greenlit for production yet. No guarantee it ever will be. Edited September 19, 2019 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It's still not been greenlit for production yet. No guarantee it ever will be. Judging by all the PR and likely sales of the Gladiator. Id say it's 99.9% likely. It would also be rather cheap to do. 95% of the engineering is done with the Bronco and next gen Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Judging by all the PR and likely sales of the Gladiator. Id say it's 99.9% likely. It would also be rather cheap to do. 95% of the engineering is done with the Bronco and next gen Bronco. Gladiator is FCA’s only midsize truck and last I heard they weren’t bringing back the Dakota. I’m not sure ford could justify having two midsize trucks. I think it would make more sense to have a baby bronco truck so you fill another segment with a compact truck like the original ranger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Gladiator is FCA’s only midsize truck and last I heard they weren’t bringing back the Dakota. I’m not sure ford could justify having two midsize trucks. I think it would make more sense to have a baby bronco truck so you fill another segment with a compact truck like the original ranger. FCA is not going to sell any Gladiators to a fleet customer. The Bronco truck would cover the lifestyle truck. You can't make the Ranger into a convertible truck. The Bronco truck? Yes! Ranger would cover the normal truck buyer and commercial/government sales. The compact truck does not need to be a Bronco. Remember that the Bronco family is suppose to be off-road friendly. I do not think that would be the aim of the compact truck. Its aim would be for the buyer who rarely using a truck, but wants one for the convenience in city environment they live in. And I still hope they call it the Ranchero. That aim was the same for the original Rancheros. Edited September 19, 2019 by ausrutherford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: Remember that the Bronco family is suppose to be off-road friendly Ranger is too.... why does everyone ignore that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 10:13 PM, silvrsvt said: C2 is the current Focus platform IIRC The C architecture is what the new Focus/Escape/Baby Bronco and what not is being called-I don't think Ford is really breaking them out anymore directly. On 9/18/2019 at 11:40 PM, akirby said: I think the Russian version was cheaper - cheaper suspension e.g. Exactly. The pick up mule has a 2.0 I-4 gas engine, 8AT - the very thing US Focus needed to replace powershift. Russian equipment probably extends to rear beam axle instead of CB IRS used in C1. probably also uses just superseded electrical systems in these vehicles where the latest and greatest isn't required for a sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, ausrutherford said: The compact truck does not need to be a Bronco. Remember that the Bronco family is suppose to be off-road friendly. I do not think that would be the aim of the compact truck. Its aim would be for the buyer who rarely using a truck, but wants one for the convenience in city environment they live in. I know, I just think the front of the baby bronco would translate well into truck. I also think it would look good if it was made larger too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, T-dubz said: Gladiator is FCA’s only midsize truck and last I heard they weren’t bringing back the Dakota. I’m not sure ford could justify having two midsize trucks. I think it would make more sense to have a baby bronco truck so you fill another segment with a compact truck like the original ranger. TFL had a segment on what they had heard on the Dakota, and frankly there still isn’t much detail out there about. I would not count it out yet. As an aside, I was originally high on the Gladiator, but now that I have seen a few in the wild, it isn’t quite as appealing as I thought. It really only looks good in the Rubicon version and I feel the others are just meh. Of, course the others could be built through the aftermarket to look good. I’m curious how the sales are going verses expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Ranger is too.... why does everyone ignore that? You can make the Ranger off-road friendly. But the Bronco's appeal is that even the basic versions will look and feel somewhat off-road ready. And again, no convertible for the Ranger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, ausrutherford said: You can make the Ranger off-road friendly. But the Bronco's appeal is that even the basic versions will look and feel somewhat off-road ready. And again, no convertible for the Ranger. Aren't they planning on bringing the Ranger Raptor to market in the US and Canada in a few years? A Bronco pickup and a Ranger Raptor seems awfully redundant to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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