silvrsvt Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Or why having a swinggate is such a big deal. Because if your parked on the street or some other confined area-you have to deal with this: A door that sticks out about 3 feet or so. I'd be perfectly fine with a fold down gate on it, which I don't think the full size bronco will offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Because if your parked on the street or some other confined area-you have to deal with this: A door that sticks out about 3 feet or so. I'd be perfectly fine with a fold down gate on it, which I don't think the full size bronco will offer. My 1985 Bronco ll had the swing out spare tire. I liked the cover on it with the bucking Bronco, but I hated the swing out feature. My wife's Rav 4 had the swing out spare tire and I hated that also and the vehicle in general. Not sure why Ford did the swing out tailgate on the Ecosport. Would be a dealbreaker for me and probably many others since it doesn't sell well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Because if your parked on the street or some other confined area-you have to deal with this: A door that sticks out about 3 feet or so. I'd be perfectly fine with a fold down gate on it, which I don't think the full size bronco will offer. meh...you've still got a similar issue with a swing up liftgate...there are times I cant open the rear of, say and Edge, if its parked too close to the car behind it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) The easy solution is just don’t parallel park lol Edited May 26, 2020 by T-dubz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Because if your parked on the street or some other confined area-you have to deal with this: A door that sticks out about 3 feet or so. I'd be perfectly fine with a fold down gate on it, which I don't think the full size bronco will offer. I should clarify that I wouldn't be opposed to it having a tailgate. But it clearly won't, and I don't see it not having a tailgate as some massive end of the world thing that it's been made out to be - that's all I mean. Also, the mechanism of having to first swing out a spare tire and then folding down a tailgate would be annoying, not to mention would also have clearance issues with swinging the tire out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 To quote RMC..."0 people have ever said/expected Sport to be a hardcore off-roader. Just that it'd be more capable than Escape, and marketed toward the buyer that might like the Bronco look but at a lower price and size." Well one feature it has is that it looks like it will have good rearward visibility. My wife has had 3 Explorers and when it came time for her fourth she would not go for the new platform as she claimed rearward vision was NG. did not want to hear about "mirrors and cameras" So her fourth is a CPO 2010. Has 83,000 on it now and when time comes to replace I'm sure the Sport will be her choice. And we are not "off roaders" but are on the end of a 500' common drive, and every now and then get a lot of snow (140" 3 years ago) so should be "capable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said: Well one feature it has is that it looks like it will have good rearward visibility. My wife has had 3 Explorers and when it came time for her fourth she would not go for the new platform as she claimed rearward vision was NG. did not want to hear about "mirrors and cameras" So her fourth is a CPO 2010. Has 83,000 on it now and when time comes to replace I'm sure the Sport will be her choice. And we are not "off roaders" but are on the end of a 500' common drive, and every now and then get a lot of snow (140" 3 years ago) so should be "capable". I just can’t understand why folks are so preoccupied with rear visibility nowadays. In college I drove an E350 delivery box truck with 0 rear visibility other than the side mirrors. It doesn’t make a difference going forward, you have the camera and sensors when backing up and when changing lanes you still need to look over your shoulder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Deanh said: meh...you've still got a similar issue with a swing up liftgate...there are times I cant open the rear of, say and Edge, if its parked too close to the car behind it... Never had a problem with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, FordBuyer said: My 1985 Bronco ll had the swing out spare tire. I liked the cover on it with the bucking Bronco, but I hated the swing out feature. My wife's Rav 4 had the swing out spare tire and I hated that also and the vehicle in general. Not sure why Ford did the swing out tailgate on the Ecosport. Would be a dealbreaker for me and probably many others since it doesn't sell well. The 1st gen EcoSport swing gate is a concession to externally mounted spare tire that was originally part of the design - the whole rugged outdoor 4x4 look. Its European cousin Fusion had conventional hatchback and spare tire under the trunk. The faux 4x4 look continued with 2nd gen but when Ford tried to sell the car in Europe, the focus group laughed at the whole idea so Ford eliminated the external spare tire but didn't put in a proper hatchback to go with it. Just another half ass Ford thing that we've grown accustomed to over the years. Edited May 26, 2020 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Here's the Bronco's center stack: So looks like there will be two size screens, this is the larger one: Earlier spy pics showed a smaller one: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Here's the Bronco's center stack: So looks like there will be two size screens, this is the larger one: Earlier spy pics showed a smaller one: Any idea on the size? The larger one definitely looks like it fits better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Any idea on the size? The larger one definitely looks like it fits better. https://www.tflcar.com/2020/05/ford-bronco-infotainment-manual-transmission-news/ TFL truck speculated that it's the same 12" display the new F-150 will use, with the earlier photos probably being a 8 or 10 inch unit. Comparing the identical switchgear beneath the screen between the Bronco and F-150 spy shots, I'd agree with that 12" assessment: Edited May 26, 2020 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Looks like the post got pulled...can someone repost it? Edited May 26, 2020 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Looks like the post got pulled...can someone repost it? What do you mean? What's not working for you? The photos and article pull up on my screen. There's the Bronco6g thread too: https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/leaked-2021-bronco-display-screen-center-stack-7-speed-auto-transmission-crawler-gear-off-road-package.1338/ Edited May 26, 2020 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I'm amazed that these oversized displays are not regarded a a driver distraction, yeah I know most people set up everything before driving off but then you see people mucking about with them while driving down the freeways or surface roads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, jpd80 said: I'm amazed that these oversized displays are not regarded a a driver distraction, yeah I know most people set up everything before driving off but then you see people mucking about with them while driving down the freeways or surface roads. If it's not the built in one, it'll be the phone anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, akirby said: I just can’t understand why folks are so preoccupied with rear visibility nowadays. In college I drove an E350 delivery box truck with 0 rear visibility other than the side mirrors. It doesn’t make a difference going forward, you have the camera and sensors when backing up and when changing lanes you still need to look over your shoulder. Okay, but that's a delivery truck, the storage box serves a function. Building a car with tiny rear windows and bigass blindspots because "style" while simultaneously making the car more expensive due to extra cameras, wiring, and videoscreen is obnoxious. I don't mind the cameras personally, but I can totally undertand why people wouldn't want them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Does this mean touch-screen control is standard? No screen-less option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, probowler said: Does this mean touch-screen control is standard? No screen-less option? I think Ford is moving to touch screens standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) nevermind. Edited May 26, 2020 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Looking at this bit of the interior, it almost seems like the buttons were an after thought. Let’s look at some of ford’s recent interiors. here is the new f150 interior. The bronco is sharing the same buttons as this. Notice how well they are integrated into the center stack. There’s even some concave areas around the top buttons that give it some depth. Explorer edge All of these interiors seem to incorporate all the controls for the radio/AC pretty well into the design. Then you get to this new bronco pic and also the ranger. The controls in both of these seem like it’s just an after thought to me. It’s like someone said, “here, use these buttons, but don’t make it cost a lot,” so they just slapped them on a flat black piece of plastic. I was hoping it would have been incorporated a bit better. The same exact buttons look much better in the f150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, probowler said: Does this mean touch-screen control is standard? No screen-less option? Backup camera has been required by FMVSS since 2016 model year. So since screen is required, might as well make it touch screen so it is more useful. Edited May 26, 2020 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: I'm amazed that these oversized displays are not regarded a a driver distraction, yeah I know most people set up everything before driving off but then you see people mucking about with them while driving down the freeways or surface roads. Agree 100%. Not sure what the thread was but I believe this has come up before. There are just too many distractions today. Granted all the sensors warning of a closing vehicle are beneficial but at some point the outsized displays might well become a safety issue. Showing my age but when the Louisville came out in 69 with that big wrap around instrument panel, one of the talking points was that all of the gauges in the right panel were positioned such that when everything was running correctly all needles pointed to 3 o'clock-"at a glance". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 hours ago, rmc523 said: What do you mean? What's not working for you? There was a blank after the : when you posted...I thought you shared the F-150 center stack at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 hours ago, akirby said: I just can’t understand why folks are so preoccupied with rear visibility nowadays. In college I drove an E350 delivery box truck with 0 rear visibility other than the side mirrors. It doesn’t make a difference going forward, you have the camera and sensors when backing up and when changing lanes you still need to look over your shoulder. Hah-walk a mile in my shoes- she won't carry anything behind second row if it sticks above the seat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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