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Ford's new "Ion Park" Battery R&D Lab

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14 hours ago, theoldwizard1 said:

Where, specifically, in Allen Park ?

 

If you are referring to the old Ypsi plant along I94, Ford sold that over 20 years ago.

 

I don't know of any other Ford facilities in Ypsilanti.

I believe the Rawsonville Ford plant is technically in Ypsilanti Township. 

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1 hour ago, Footballfan said:

The day of 100% Evs will never happen- at least for 50 years.  Too many obstacles that nobody wants to pay for, and too much cynicism. 

 

The thing is that governments will force that issue...your argument is the same as what happened with Fuel and Emissions standards almost 50 years ago. 

 

You have to keep in mind that the Auto industry isn't the electronics industry...it takes 18-24 months for changes to happen and platforms last at least 10-15 years to make $$$ on them. Automakers are looking 5 years or longer down the road to try to figure out what the market needs or is forced to have. That is why certain products like the Edge and Nautilus are dead men walking. it makes no sense to come out with a  new product in the next 24 months that is going to have to be replaced in 7 years or so because of BEV requirements. If they came out a year or two ago it would be more worthwhile, but they where deferred because of other products. 

 

I'd venture to guess that by 2040 that 80-90% of the light duty market will be a BEV worldwide. What happens in Medium and Heavy duty is anyones guess at the moment, but it seems like some goverements are hellbent on making them BEV or ZEVs also. 

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11 hours ago, paintguy said:

Is Ford getting their toe wet too late or did the others burn cash too early?

 

The first one, though Ford isn't the only incumbent automaker that "has squandered its ability to be a leader in a space that desperately calls for in-house developed, proprietary technical leadership", as Autoextremist said.

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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:

I'd venture to guess that by 2040 that 80-90% of the light duty market will be a BEV worldwide. What happens in Medium and Heavy duty is anyones guess at the moment, but it seems like some goverements are hellbent on making them BEV or ZEVs also. 

 

Based on actions that both governments and the automotive industry are taking now, the 80%-90% threshold for BEV percentage of all new vehicle sales should be achieved closer to 2030 than 2040.

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6 hours ago, Footballfan said:

  I think Stellantis is taking the best approach.  Fill the showrooms with "gotta have" product, and work with suppliers for the emerging technology before deciding to bring it in house. 

 

Stellantis have 2 battery plants under construction in Europe, and have indicated plans to build at least one in the U.S..

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Ford have ownership stake(s) in companies developing solid state batteries, which positions them well in terms of technology. The solid state battery design they have a stake in has not been demonstrated at commercial scale yet, but that is supposed to be coming later this year.

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Considering how many suppliers are producing batteries (Samsung, LG, SK, Panasonic, etc.) Ford has plenty of choices to get what they need.  No sense rushing in and getting stuck in a dead end technology.  It isn’t like customers are clamoring for a Ford battery cell.

 

I see battery cell production as being similar to chip foundries.  Lots of research and development expense, capital intensive and plenty of opportunities to fail.  There are many successful fabless chip companies (Apple, AMD, NVDIA, QUALCOMM, etc.) and I think automotive will be similar.  Better to invest in getting the most out of the cells chosen and getting to choose from the best available cells than trying to develop them on your own.

 

We will see what comes out of the Ion lab.

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19 hours ago, slemke said:

We will see what comes out of the Ion lab.

 

Yes sir slemke. In the short term, the most important thing that comes from Ion Park lab is developing the vertical integration capabilities Ford desperately needs for manufacturing BEV battery systems including cells. Ford mentioned this in a press release about Ion Park. It said "This world-class 200,000 sq.-ft. learning lab will include pilot-scale equipment for electrode, cell and array design and manufacturing and will use state-of-the-art technology to pilot new manufacturing techniques that will allow Ford to quickly scale breakthrough battery cell designs with novel materials once the company vertically integrates battery cells and batteries."

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2 hours ago, rperez817 said:

 

Yes sir slemke. In the short term, the most important thing that comes from Ion Park lab is developing the vertical integration capabilities Ford desperately needs for manufacturing BEV battery systems including cells. Ford mentioned this in a press release about Ion Park. It said "This world-class 200,000 sq.-ft. learning lab will include pilot-scale equipment for electrode, cell and array design and manufacturing and will use state-of-the-art technology to pilot new manufacturing techniques that will allow Ford to quickly scale breakthrough battery cell designs with novel materials once the company vertically integrates battery cells and batteries."

 

According to Detrout Yes, the building being built now will be close to Henry Ford Museum. And today Ford announced $130 million investment along with BMW in Solid State technology based in Denver area. 

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9 minutes ago, FordBuyer said:

 

 And today Ford announced $130 million investment along with BMW in Solid State technology based in Denver area. 

 

... Additional investment from Ford and BMW.

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1 hour ago, FordBuyer said:

 

And today Ford announced $130 million investment along with BMW in Solid State technology based in Denver area. 

 

Here's a Reuters wire story on this:

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-bmw-lead-130-mln-investing-round-solid-state-battery-startup-2021-05-03/

"Ford Motor Co (F.N) and BMW AG (BMWG.DE) are leading a $130 million funding round in a solid-state battery startup, Solid Power, as carmakers push to lower the cost of electric vehicles by investing in the development of affordable but powerful rechargeable batteries, the companies said on Monday.

 

"The Series B investment round, which includes venture capital firm Volta Energy Technologies, allows Solid Power to expand in-house manufacturing capabilities and positions the battery maker to eventually supply future EVs...

 

"Monday's announcement marks the second investment in Solid Power for Ford and Volta Energy. Both participated in the $26 million Series A round in 2018 that included Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) and Samsung Electronics (005930.KS).

 

" 'We've been working with more than a dozen different startups in this space and we've been most impressed with the progress that Solid Power has made,' Hau Thai-Tang, Ford's chief product platform and operations officer, said...

 

"Following the latest investments, Ford and BMW will own equal, unidentified stakes in Solid Power, which was established in 2012..."

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7 hours ago, ice-capades said:

Solid State technology will be a game changer for BEV vehicles. 

I hope so.  Otherwise BEVs for the masses will be fantasy land.  Light duty trucks will need a 250kwh+ battery pack to equal/exceed the range of today’s extended range 36 gallon tanks.  The pack needs to be cheap, support high current output and fast recharge over thousands of cycles.  Entry level cars will need a low cost battery that still delivers adequate range and recharge times.  It will be a tall order.  Current battery technology isn’t close enough (yet).

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“To eventually supply future EV’s, possibly by the end of the decade.”  No short term return on this investment. 

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