Electric Capri Crossover Spied

[Rick73]

 

By the way, the expected upcoming slightly updated Model Y Juniper (I think similar update to Model 3 Highland) will likely end up looking good enough to stay at top of BEV sales list, even with its rounded aero looks.  A smaller version at a much lower price could put pressure on competition.

 

 

[Captainp4]

On 11/12/2023 at 2:52 PM, akirby said:

Don’t tell me someone who would have otherwise bought a F150 is going to go buy a Ram because they don’t think Mach-E should be called Mustang.  And a Mustang enthusiast will bitch about it but will still buy a mustang.

It makes no sense to get mad about a name. How many people bitching about recycling names know that the Explorer and Ranger were just trim lines on the dentside pickups before they became their own models? It'd be like me saying I'm not buying a new superduty because there used to be an F-Superduty in the OBS days! (was what they called the f450 before they all became superduty). I did think the Maverick name on a pickup was a little odd at first, but it does kind of make sense. Mustang Mach-E made sense to me after I read about the sub-brand thing, hoping they fill that out some more in the coming years to make it make more sense to the average consumer though. But either way, whether I like a name of a car or not it's not affecting my next purchase decision.
 

16 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

A lot of people are fickle. I'll try not to get too political here, but case in point, back when Ford maybe the rainbow raptor, so many comments were talking about how they drive a Ford, but wouldn't buy a new one. Are some of those people lying? Probably, but not all of them. If something so minor could sway purchasing decisions, I could understand how messing with naming conventions, and in some people's minds, history, could turn some buyers off. 

 

I personally see great potential with the mustang, and bronco becoming sub-brands, and using that name on other products. My biggest criticism is almost that they didn't do enough with it. They made it sound like there were other bronco models, like a bronco EV or pickup in development, or other mustang models beyond the mach-e and s650. Then overnight, it seemed like they just killed that idea. Many of us expected things like a "Shelby" mach-e, or mustang sedans, and haven't gotten any of that. Just another case of great ideas from Ford that end up going nowhere. 

A lot of people say a lot of stupid things in comment sections on the internet and just like to be perpetually offended by something, they usually forget about it after they read the headline, comment, and then don't read the article.

[Rick73]

3 hours ago, Captainp4 said:

It makes no sense to get mad about a name. How many people bitching about recycling names know that the Explorer and Ranger were just trim lines on the dentside pickups before they became their own models?

I don’t believe anyone is mad (angry) over using inappropriate names; it’s more about whether they (me included) think it is a good idea or not.
 

In case of Mustang, there is a lot of history, passion, and emotion associated with the Mustang name.  Using it on an SUV that doesn’t share any history whatsoever with original or subsequent Mustangs doesn’t seem a good idea to me.  By comparison, whether Ford names a new cargo van Transit or Econoline or whatever makes very little difference to me, and I expect pretty much nobody.  The point is “Mustang” is different.  Whether Capri rises to same level I don’t know because I can’t relate to history in same way.  That Capri has been used on multiple cars suggests it is not to same status as Mustang.  Just an opinion, plus I don’t see how there can be a right or wrong on this name thing.

 

 

[ausrutherford]

Custom was used on Ford's full size car line in the US for decades...now used on a mid-size utility van.

Corsair was used on an Edsel and a Ford of Europe...now its used on a Lincoln crossover. 

Maverick was used on a compact car and various crossovers/SUVs...now its used on a compact truck. 

Explorer was a truck level for F-Series and Bronco...now its own vehicle. 

Ranger was used as a trim level...now its own vehicle.

Territory was used on a RWD mid-size crossover...now its used on a compact crossover. 

Galaxie was used on full-size cars...now Galaxy is used on a mid-size MPV. 

Fusion started as a compact MPV...now its on a mid-size sedan

Eos started as a sub-compact car concept...now its used on a mid-size lifted hatch. 

Edge started as a trim level for the Ranger...now its used for a mid-size crossover. 

Transit was used on a bus model...now as a utility van. 

 

Let's look back in time...

 

Crown Victoria started as a trim level for a glass-roofed Fairlane, then as a luxury version for the LTD, then purely as its own model. 

Town Car started as a body style name from the Continental, then as its own model, then on as a fleet model for the MkT.

 

And I know there must be more. Don't even get me started on GM or Stellantis... 

 

Just a couple of examples: Envoy started as a Canadian brand...then to a GMC model. Avenger nameplate started life as a Hillman...then a Dodge...now a Jeep. 

 

 

Considering the Capri name has not been used in Europe since 1986...4 years before I was born...I highly doubt 75% of Europeans know or remember there was Capri. 

[AM222]

3 hours ago, Rick73 said:

That Capri has been used on multiple cars suggests it is not to same status as Mustang.  Just an opinion, plus I don’t see how there can be a right or wrong on this name thing.

The Capri has the same status as the Mustang in Europe, the market where the VW-based Capri crossover will be sold in. This is like Ford launching the Mach E SUV as a successor to the Mustang fastback coupe/convertible. 

Forget about the Australian Mazda 323-based convertible and the North American Foxbody Mustang rebadge, it's the European Capri produced from late-1968 to 1986 that is seen as an iconic model in Europe and other parts of the world. 

Like the Mustang, the Capri was used for motorsports and raced against BMWs and Porsches.

Edited November 14, 2023 by AM222

[silvrsvt]

9 hours ago, AM222 said:

The Capri has the same status as the Mustang in Europe, the market where the VW-based Capri crossover will be sold in. This is like Ford launching the Mach E SUV as a successor to the Mustang fastback coupe/convertible. 

 

But how long ago was that? The Capri hasn't been sold in almost 40 years.

 

Its like people bitching about the Maverick being called the Maverick because it was some shit box cheap sedan from then 1970s. 

 

The Mustang Mach E is just a bunch of crybabies bitching about the name and it being an EV, when its just an extension of the Mustang family. 

[Rick73]

14 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

The Mustang Mach E is just a bunch of crybabies bitching about the name and it being an EV, when its just an extension of the Mustang family. 

Ford can call it whatever they want because it’s their vehicle and their name.   But does that mean everyone has to like it?  I think not, regardless of your personal opinion.

 

It’s like in politics.  The same exact divisive issue can split opinions right down the middle, right?  How can 50% of population view the same exact issue and data and reach the polar opposite conclusion?  And more importantly, does their vote/opinion count less than the other 50%?

[akirby]

1 hour ago, Rick73 said:

Ford can call it whatever they want because it’s their vehicle and their name.   But does that mean everyone has to like it?  I think not, regardless of your personal opinion.

Complaining about a name on a vehicle you don’t plan to buy and which doesn’t affect you at all is stupid.  Also there is a big difference in saying I don’t like it vs. Ford screwed up.

[Rick73]

17 minutes ago, akirby said:

Complaining about a name on a vehicle you don’t plan to buy and which doesn’t affect you at all is stupid.  Also there is a big difference in saying I don’t like it vs. Ford screwed up.

Given how poorly Mach-E has done, do you have proof that naming Mach-E a Mustang wasn’t stupid?  Do you have any tangible data that confirms your opinion is better or less stupid than that of those who disagree with you?

 

There’s a difference between not caring about something and not liking it.  Your comments suggest you don’t differentiate.

 

Think whatever you want.  I’m out of this ridiculous name discussion.

[silvrsvt]

13 minutes ago, Rick73 said:

Given how poorly Mach-E has done, do you have proof that naming Mach-E a Mustang wasn’t stupid?  Do you have any tangible data that confirms your opinion is better or less stupid than that of those who disagree with you?

 

Define poorly

 

The Mach E actually outsold the ICE Mustang in EU/US sales this past year.

 

~64K Mach Es vs ~51K Mustangs

[DeluxeStang]

1 hour ago, Rick73 said:

Given how poorly Mach-E has done, do you have proof that naming Mach-E a Mustang wasn’t stupid?  Do you have any tangible data that confirms your opinion is better or less stupid than that of those who disagree with you?

 

There’s a difference between not caring about something and not liking it.  Your comments suggest you don’t differentiate.

 

Think whatever you want.  I’m out of this ridiculous name discussion.

To be fair, the mach-e is one of the best selling non Tesla EVs. It's facing stiff competition lately, particularly from other ev performance SUVs, but it's shown promise. 

[GearheadGrrrl]

It says something of the competence of Ford management that they vigorously protect and even recycle names from an era over half of whose inhabitants are dead...

[silvrsvt]

1 hour ago, GearheadGrrrl said:

It says something of the competence of Ford management that they vigorously protect and even recycle names from an era over half of whose inhabitants are dead...

 

Ford is anal about protecting its image, even though they don't charge (AFAIK) licensing fees for products, just the right to say yah or nah if it meets their criteria. 

 

Just as an example, Ford sent cease and desist orders to people making Bronco script badges....they eventually came out with their own. 

[atomcat68]

7 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

But how long ago was that? The Capri hasn't been sold in almost 40 years.

 

Its like people bitching about the Maverick being called the Maverick because it was some shit box cheap sedan from then 1970s. 

 

The Mustang Mach E is just a bunch of crybabies bitching about the name and it being an EV, when its just an extension of the Mustang family. 

I think the Mustang Mach E is a perfectly fine name for that car. Its name implies that it is inspired by the Mustang and has Mustang like styling cues in it. The point I was making with the Capri is that it isn't in the same market segment AND it appears not to have any influence from the original Capri. It almost looks inspired by the 80's Euro Escort which I thought would resonate better with buyers as the Escort was more recent. Of course the new Capri is under heavy camo , so it could very well be heavily Capri influenced and surprise everyone as well. After all, the prototype is camouflaged to deceive everyone before it is revealed.

[AM222]

On 11/15/2023 at 6:08 AM, atomcat68 said:

 It almost looks inspired by the 80's Euro Escort which I thought would resonate better with buyers as the Escort was more recent. Of course the new Capri is under heavy camo , so it could very well be heavily Capri influenced and surprise everyone as well. After all, the prototype is camouflaged to deceive everyone before it is revealed.

Aside from the fastback roofline, the Capri EV's LED DRLs mimic the quad circular headlights of the real Capri, and I'm betting there's a curved rear quarter window under the camo to give it the classic Capri rear window shape.

[Rick73]

3 hours ago, AM222 said:

Aside from the fastback roofline, the Capri EV's LED DRLs mimic the quad circular headlights of the real Capri, and I'm betting there's a curved rear quarter window under the camo to give it the classic Capri rear window shape.

Good eye on that rear window.  It does look like camo has indentation along those lines.  If there, it could make vehicle much nicer to look at. ? 

[DeluxeStang]

5 hours ago, AM222 said:

Aside from the fastback roofline, the Capri EV's LED DRLs mimic the quad circular headlights of the real Capri, and I'm betting there's a curved rear quarter window under the camo to give it the classic Capri rear window shape.

I sincerely hope that character line that runs down most of the body side, and then curves behind the rear wheels carries over to this design. But if it's there, I don't see it. 

[AM222]

3 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

I sincerely hope that character line that runs down most of the body side, and then curves behind the rear wheels carries over to this design. But if it's there, I don't see it. 

That would be interesting if it did.  The newer Mk2 and Mk3 (shown below) lost it though. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by AM222

[rmc523]

5 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:

I sincerely hope that character line that runs down most of the body side, and then curves behind the rear wheels carries over to this design. But if it's there, I don't see it. 

 

I think I see some sort of shadow change along a crease bisecting the door handles.

[jpd80]

On 11/15/2023 at 12:16 AM, silvrsvt said:

 

But how long ago was that? The Capri hasn't been sold in almost 40 years.

 

Its like people bitching about the Maverick being called the Maverick because it was some shit box cheap sedan from then 1970s. 

 

The Mustang Mach E is just a bunch of crybabies bitching about the name and it being an EV, when it’s just an extension of the Mustang family. 

The names are Ford’s to do with as they please, Ford gave Mach E every chance by using the Mustang name,

I hope sales come back but fear it’s now terminally wounded, still want to see this months sales figures……

The reason you’re seeing inflamed passions about historical names is because chat rooms are full of

passionate fans, the wider community couldn’t give a crap about either Ford or it’s vehicle names (apart form F Trucks)

 

Truth to tell, most Ford vehicles that sell below about $40,000 probably make no money above paying for their development and manufacturing, that’s why Ford concentrates on larger vehicles to pay the bills. Compacts are only worth something if they’re built in low cost places like Mexico, I doubt making a future compact BEV a at Louisville makes economic sense.

Edited November 17, 2023 by jpd80

[DeluxeStang]

53 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

The names are Ford’s to do with as they please, Ford gave Mach E every chance by using the Mustang name,

I hope sales come back but fear it’s now terminally wounded, still want to see this months sales figures……

I still believe in the mach-e. What's holding it back imo is the lack of desirable variants beyond the initial rollout, and limitations with the platform. I predict the second gen mach-e will be a far more compelling, and desirable vehicle overall. That, combined with the fact that more consumers in a few years time will be interested in purchasing an EV, should definitely help sales numbers. 

[jpd80]

25 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:

I still believe in the mach-e. What's holding it back imo is the lack of desirable variants beyond the initial rollout, and limitations with the platform. I predict the second gen mach-e will be a far more compelling, and desirable vehicle overall. That, combined with the fact that more consumers in a few years time will be interested in purchasing an EV, should definitely help sales numbers. 

Just my opinion but,

Ford chose the wrong direction with Mach E, the E Focus and E Max should have evolved into a more affordable BEV Escape and maybe BEV Focus Active…

It’s shocking how much time and resources went into saving that project, forgetting all about the original intended buyers.

 

By the time Ford realised its mistake, Hackett had to sign up to VW MEB contract, basically paying someone else to provide vehicle designs for the direction it should have gone….Amazing how Ford does this over and over…

(Hackett unaware of the importance of securing battery supply thinking VW would do that at a fair price…)

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by jpd80

[silvrsvt]

16 hours ago, jpd80 said:

Just my opinion but,

Ford chose the wrong direction with Mach E, the E Focus and E Max should have evolved into a more affordable BEV Escape and maybe BEV Focus Active…

It’s shocking how much time and resources went into saving that project, forgetting all about the original intended buyers.

 

Why? The whole point of the Mach E was to make something desirable not some cheap ass complance car that would make no money or have any interest in.

 

Cheaper cars will come when they can make cheaper cars. 

 

 

[jpd80]

3 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

Why? The whole point of the Mach E was to make something desirable not some cheap ass complance car that would make no money or have any interest in.

 

Cheaper cars will come when they can make cheaper cars. 

 

No, the whole point of Mach E was to cover an embarrassing mistake by spending even more money on the project. The electric minivan E Max was a poor choice based on out of date data and should have always been the Escape.
 

The problem was the already sunken costs, Farley knew that changing to an Escape  type utility would never cover all of the added project costs, so it then grew legs and became an apex product which would do that but also limit its maximum sales……that’s becoming a moot point now that incentives will be applied to the near 14,000 unsold vehicles at dealerships..

 

This was never about cheap vehicles, affordability is everything to buyers and if your product misses the mark, it will go unsold…

Edited November 18, 2023 by jpd80

[Harley Lover]

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