Charlie Daniels too! 🤠    

The two sedans in GM's current U.S. product lineup are low volume for sure. Their combined sales were lower than Corvette in 1st quarter '26.   The Buick and Camaro four door sedans mentioned in this thread are speculative at this point. Do the big shots at GM have a half decent business case for them?

It's so cool that they had to pause production for a year because they had too much inventory lol.   I get your point about the form factor maximizing cargo space, but I don't know if "cool" is how I'd describe the ID.BUZZ....

That's wishful thinking along with some confirmation bias.  Sedans never went away but they certainly aren't making a comeback from a market perspective.  But there will be pockets of low volume sedans and coupes.

As Toby Keith said, a little less talk and a lot more action!

Farley needs to stop talking and just deliver.  Hard to believe anything he says anymore because of all the past goals and statements that went by the wayside.

Smaller families have been a thing for the past 20 years or so, since Gen X (which I'm part of) has been in our child bearing years-my sister drove her kids around in an Escape till she got a 2020 Explorer (which is overkill now since both kids drive now) Another factor is marketing-I still think that auto manufactures are still going to focus on more profitable vehicles instead of selling sedans, which don't have that CUV tax of $2500 bucks.  Young people will buy what they can afford (or what is bought for them), not what they want, unless they are willing to give up things in exchange to get it.   I bought a 1998 Mustang GT in cash because I was saving half my money I was making in the Army plus a deployment. I went into the National Guard because I was working part time to afford the insurance on it because I went to school full time and lived at home for a while because of that.    I nearly screwed myself when I bought my 2006 Mustang GT-I happened to get lucky and got an new job before I got it because at my old salary my car note was a bit higher then I expected and I had some other unexpected costs come up (property taxes I think) that I didn't plan for. It all worked out in the end though.    I also didn't need to be practical either, because I had a truck I could borrow (my parents lived 20 minutes away) and if it snowed bad enough, work was closed anyways.    I guess it boils down to mindset-I see how my niece and nephew are (who are both under 21) and where I work we have younger adults (25 or younger) working here-I know one guy who has bought a new Corvette, but still has an accord they drive to work. I also see someone where I work at with an Aston Martin (which I'm not sure how they do that-I work for the government, its not like we are making an excessive amount of money like you could do on the civilian side) and someone else has a Mustang Dark Horse. A manager I work with has a Rivian RT1, yet again a pretty expensive vehicle (depending on your view) but apparently they can afford it. 

I also know we're had the discussion of how SUVs and trucks are like swiss army knives, and how they appeal to consumers because they're better at adapting to a wide array of changing demands and use cases. On this, we strongly agree.    That being said, as the average age for new car buyers continues to increase, I feel like this is less of a factor. If you're 20 buying a new car, you really don't know what your life, and the needs of it are gonna look like. Whereas when you're 30, 35, 40, that outlook becomes more clear. You have a better idea of what your needs are, they tend to be more consistent and defined, and you know if a vehicle will be a good match for them.    A 20 year old doesn't know if they're gonna have one kid, seven, or none. But a 35 year old understands that a lot better. 

Valid points, but there's an argument to be made that what gave rise to the suv and trucks was the ever increasing need to carry more people and things. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, it was pretty common to see people who had like 4 kids and had a lot of stuff to haul around. They needed large, spacious vehicles. Materialism was also kinda at its peak, it was all about having a lot of stuff.    Whereas look at young buyers now. A lot of young people aren't having kids at all, and if they do, it's like 1 or 2 kids. There's also an emphasis on having less clutter and stuff with a lot of young people. So I'd argue that there really isn't a need for crossovers and trucks, particularly large ones, in the age of 1 or 2 kid families. I feel like a hatchback can meet most of their needs pretty well, and it does it while being more affordable, lower cost of ownership, better looking, and easier to live with.    Then there's the whole perception thing. Cars aren't just what people need, but what they want. It's often a case of what someone's needs are, and what types of vehicles they like. In the late 90s and early 2000s, crossovers were this new, hot, exciting thing. Having lifestyle SUVs and trucks was all the rage, and things like station wagons were seen as boring cars old people drove.    Now that's how a lot of young people see SUVs and trucks. Those are the types of vehicles they see as boring and undesirable. Whereas car form factors are cool and trendy again with them. So you pair where their needs are with how they perceive various vehicle types, and that's why I believe those types of silhouettes are gonna see a resurgence. 

I'll disagree on this-every manufacture has seen sedan sales shrink over the past 20 years, even ones that where profitable (i.e. Accord/Camry) or even luxury sedans for example.    But it is also a chicken and egg issue-if there was more sedans, would they sell more of them? That remains to be seen.   But its been pointed out for the past 30 years or so, customers will overbuy in a vehicle. Even going back to the 1990s when the Explorer was becoming very popular, Ford was still selling the Taurus wagon, which was roughly the same size and offered about the same interior space, but was far more refined, but sales shrunk as time went on.    if people actually bought what they needed, they would most likely buy smaller cars, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time.