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You know if they stop shipping Bronco's everybody will blame you. They always kill the messenger,,,,, HRG

I'm a little troubled that the severity of the roof issues legitimately might not have made it up the chain in Dearborn until now... Jalopnik put out a piece today about the MIC roof issues linking to the B6G thread that had my pics and info, and Motor1 did the same. The trees are starting to shake. Wonder what will fall out?

I've been checking for Window Stickers at least twice a day for a number of BOF members awaiting Super Duty's. In every case, the vehicles were invoiced weeks ago but the Window Stickers are not available yet in Ford's database. Ford's providing the usual information on this issue (NONE!) which is affecting only Super Duty's.

It's so funny how dealers can be so different with their estimates. I, too, ordered last Friday and my dealer said he'd be surprised if it shows up before the first of the year. Quite the difference vs 8-10 weeks haha. Luckily from the help on this forum I've learned a ton about the process so I don't care much what the dealer says. I know that it will just get here when it gets here and all I can do is wait. I don't plan on hounding them for updates, it unfortunately won't make the truck show up any faster. But hey, if you manage to get yours in only 8-10 weeks we'll all look forward to seeing the pictures when you get it!

If your Continental tires started to shred after 3 weeks would you blame Ford or Continental? If webasto assured Ford they could build them correctly and then couldn’t then Ford is only guilty of picking the wrong supplier. Remember the pre production tops were fine so it’s not like this was just overlooked for months, Even if the problems were evident at the factory what difference would it make? You think they should have stopped production and not shipped them? Now that would be a nightmare. This isn’t something that can be fixed in a few weeks.

I wanted the cameras and would have added them if I didnt have to pay for the PBTA. I think it used to be a stand alone option.

Thanks for the update. I checked again earlier this morning and your Window Sticker is still not available from Ford. The vehicle was invoiced weeks ago and the Window Stickers are generated at the same time so this makes no sense. Ford's providing no information about the missing or delayed Super Duty Window Stickers but I'll keep checking!

dealership is blowing smoke up your exit cavity. He has NO IDEA. You could push him and ask for a GUARANTEE you will receive it in 8-10 weeks, and every day it misses 70 CALENDAR days, it reduces the sale price by $1,000.

You know what else common sense says? Vast majority of F150 buyers rarely do any towing at all. There are plenty of commercial buyers who don’t tow or haul heavy loads for long distances. Plumbers, carpenters, electricians, pool service, landscaping, lawn service, etc etc. City and county governments. Plenty of commercial opportunities.

What's up with the whole "chicken lights" thing? Roosting on top of the cab or what?

Thank you both. I appreciate it.

When selecting a Lariat trim level, and adding the value package, it would be a nice perk to add the $1200 LED headlights to the order. The only way I can make it work is with the black package, or adding the ultimate package.. which allows you to select the led headlights (for an additional cost) I get it, that’s a way to upsell the packages, but at $78k, LED headlights should be a standard. Hah

I was going to wait until the end of the year to buy one but I found this one and couldn’t pass it up at the price and since the 22’s are so sketchy on when they might possibly start to get built I had to make the move on this one. I had a 19 xlt and from that to this is a lot better change and the ride quality is a ton better as well.Now to decide on wheels and tires and if I want to do a level , no lift because I pull a fifth wheel all the time.

It is though. I would know, I'm there every day. There's the usual beginning of production growing pains but from my end and what I see right now it's no worse than what we went through when we launched Ranger from a production standpoint, and that launch was pretty smooth. You absolutely should though. This is an example of a supplier over-promising and under-delivering. Obviously the deck was stacked against them with them building an entire new plant for this program in the middle of a pandemic and they simply did not rise to the occasion. Even Flex-N-Gate, as little as I think of them, was able to come through. Like Akirby said, the biggest thing Ford is guilty of here is choosing the wrong supplier. Not the first time and probably won't be the last. All they can do is minimize the damage as much as possible and hopefully learn from their mistakes.

Went from a build week of 8/9 to a build day of 8/12 so dates seem to be holding steady with a possible delivery date of the end of August according to current times the dealer is receiving other vehicles

I also called but they said they could not view it either. All the rep was able to tell me was “shows it went into production status on 7/6 but can’t view a window sticker, I’d call your dealer for more info “

Is that the Dearborn plant?

It's rough, but I suppose a brand new model with new components from a new supplier launching during a global pandemic had a ton to do with this. The truck is awesome and I love driving it. People stop me daily to talk about it. They smile. It's fun to look at and more fun to drive. The roof is being poorly manufactured, the fruit of a business relationship that has already fractured beyond salvation. The design behind the roof was likely too complex to pull off in real world manufacturing situations. Webasto assured Ford they could and Ford trusted them. I have to believe these will all be replaced at some point, as they're not exactly repairable and are already falling apart. I'm still enjoying every bit of driving it while they sort out the mess.

Yeah unfortunately it's common for car makers to lock desirable options into high trims.

That's great! I'm in a similar situation. I'll give them a call today.

The days of hoping, praying and wishing for a Ford "Camry/Accord killer" are over. Those who still want a true car, get imports, due to better and resale. DCT repairs and relying on "fleet sales" killed Ford car resale values forever. With all the SUV recalls, looks like they may lose that market, too.

Ford rubbing the salt into the wound of some people Even showing it without a top! LOL

Window sticker update. So none of us seem to be getting email updates or our window stickers for those (in production)... called marketing and simply asked the young lady if she could email my copy to me as I wasn't getting updates from Ford. Bingo, she came back and said no problem and will be sending it out. My build day is today and this was a good test to see if things are really moving forward. (22' 7.3 Lariat Crewcab dually 4x4)

Interesting sub tweets by Farley here:

For what's it's worth, when Ford announced the scheduling was going to begin, the scheduling notes said: 22MY Super Duty Startup Scheduling - Retail 22MY Super Duty orders began scheduling on June 3. Until the Okay to Buy has been achieved, orders will not ship. I doubt the Okay to Buy has been achieved at this time but I'm not an expert. Here's the original post on the scheduling notes. https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/70846-ford-weekly-scheduling-notes/&do=findComment&comment=1134559

https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/ford-working-on-twin-turbo-godzilla-v8-exclusive/

If your retail order is still unscheduled, you can still make the change. It'll only affect scheduling regarding any commodity restraints in effect. If you want to make the change, it's better to make the change sooner rather than later.

A quick google search got me this: I had not know what they were, or why the were called this.

cause I have two ordered, well 1 is mine, the other is my dad's. we both ordered on the same day at the same dealer.

All that information is available in the 2022 Super Duty Pick-Up Order Guide which is available for download in the Dealer Order Guides section. https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/files/category/8-f-series-super-duty/

Welcome! Hopefully we get our trucks soon! I ordered one as well.

Hope its not in purgatory...my truck sounds like it is optioned very much like yours. Except I have a bed liner and a few other options beyond the Lariat Value pack.

They built 1800 MDs last month

The point is that there’s no T6 based Lincoln planned…….

Sales Manager who is the guy that ordered the truck is who couldn’t figure it out. So sad. I am one of those people that if I am going to do something, whatever my job is, I am going to know how to do it inside and out. I make sure I know all there is to know. Seems like a lot of people today just do as little as possible to keep their job.

Def pump at 60k def pump again at 120k hpdp at 150k (this hurt the most) now at 170k

Well stated my friend. Government officials have made this political and have made it difficult to obtain factual information. Some old long hair has done more research and fact checking of this than most. Hadn't heard about the 625 and 611 issues. Not sure who might be blamed, but from an old movie line, "round up the usual suspects!".

paintguy you know me well enough to understand I don`t pass judgement on anyone's decisions if the decision doesn`t cause me any harm. I have one child with and one without the jab. Both brought up co morbidity and made their opinions known. I drove one to get the jab at the injection site at the hospital. I expressed my concern and gave my opinion. Which wasn`t full of negativity. Just what she`s used to from the old man. The former has that alphabet soup at the end of her name which includes a NP... so she had the jab because work suggested that her crowd should get it. She has put in her opinion on the jab but knows to just do that and let it be. I`ve had the pleasure to earn my dual citizenship, in doing that I was made aware of a lot of benefits so many take for granted. While being a citizen of this great country from birth I learned I had many choices to make, no telling how many times this was stated by Mom but reinforced by the Master Sargent. I heard time and time again my grand parents didn`t have but one decision to make of their life choices and that decision was the most important decision not only in their life but the whole families. The old ones had a life decision that many had and after making the decision to sell everything to get away from their home and so many family members that didn`t want that option or didn`t want to make that decision, I never heard either one say in any way or form that they were sorry they made that decision. I was under the understanding making ones decisions to do, pray, seek help, work and make your life the best you can was an obligation to ones self and family if the family is directly impacted by my decisions. So I have compassion for anyone who makes the decision to get or not get the jab. I am secure in myself to take the results from my decisions. In my opinion I don`t need my government to do anything other than to lay out the facts and answer questions with as much certainty as the experts can have from their research. Give the facts to back the government recommendations. At the point of suppling the citizens with the government facts and recommendations it then should be up to the citizens to used the benefit of freedom to make the their own decision. The hesitancy percentage is where it`s at in part by our elected ones with their "do as I say" or "labeled as or blamed for the spread" or "the next wave is your fault and now we have to put those dam masks back on" type of leadership. Of course our leaders and experts haven`t been straight or factual on much of anything so far and that adds to the hesitancy a lot. But for me and my group of knuckleheads all this just brings out a bushel basket full of unanswered questions that... never really get answered by our elected ones or experts. A question that is being asked involved the percentage of people that haven`t had the jab or got the rona yet work with, live or take care of rona infected individuals? For me it`s not political it`s just my decision. It becomes policital only by those elected ones when the demands are made and even then it should be my decision. I`ve made the decision to work, plan for the future and enjoy helping others, so if the rona gets me the rona gets me. That goes for the MS or heart issue too. I read of and have experienced people that can only wish they had our ability to decide on life matters. Over these long years my decisions have made for a very satisficed old long hair. I believe self reliance is the one true freedom. Hey paintguy hear about the 800K 625`s & 611`s being returned to seller...? Dam those old launch leads and Process Engineers....

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That's great. I'll point out though that I wasn't trying to compare the cost of brake pads to an engine, that's absurd! I was simply sharing my experiences about using the exhaust brake on a diesel when going down some steep grades... which by the way was excellent! So I'll stick to the diesel... if it ever gets here.

Things I'm hearing about NG Ranger have me very excited. I'm starting to be glad I waited.

Unfortunately, there have been plenty that arrived for customer delivery with poorly-fabricated tops including delaminating edges and obvious areas where the mould wasn't fully filled with material. I've been one of the "lucky" ones whose top arrived without issues, but it's obvious now there there may be some degree of failure baked into the design. Looking at mine three weeks in, there isn't an apparent fix beyond replacing the whole roof unit. Multiply that out time about 65% of orders on a hotly-received product earning tons of free press and 125,000 pre-orders and the situation gets really bad really quick. They should pull the plug on the MIC entirely until it can be reworked, promise existing MIC owners a new roof unit once it becomes available, and provide a soft top kit to those whose MIC roofs become unusable (this will happen once we get into the freeze/thaw cycles around here).

VWoA just announced today they are ending production of the U.S. spec Passat next year. The Chattanooga plant where Passat is assembled will be transformed to produce BEV. A Limited Edition Passat will be produced for 2022 model year. Volkswagen announces end of U.S. Passat production with Limited Edition - Volkswagen US Media Site (vw.com)

I hope I'm wrong on this as it will trash the Bronco name, and people at Ford will be "how did this ever happen" but this has Ford cost cutting disaster written all over it. Today's tolerances are much better they still can have a spread of about 5% in power differences (30 years ago it could be as high as 15%). Which yes is still under the 442ft/lbs you are getting very close to max, and would be over max in certain favorable conditions for limited times, (cool temperatures and close to or under sea level). Plus you never engineer something to operate at 90% of the max limit on a continuous basis. We will know in a year as the mileage starts to add up on these, but a Sasquatch towing 3500lbs up and down the desert mountains in 115 heat doesn't tend to end will when you're already at the top end of the design load.

I think the new clear lights with the amber leds look great, put them on my ordered 350

Thanks for your help.

Finally some good news!! thanks for the update

Just to clarify the dates in next week's production schedule for those that might not understand, the dates listed are the production weeks that will be assigned for unscheduled orders that are selected for scheduling next Thursday, July 22nd. These assigned production weeks are very reliable with the exception of 2022 Super Duty orders which are sometimes seeing later dates due to the microchip situation and other factors which Ford doesn't provide information on. Scheduling is done on Thursday's and VIN numbers are assigned when the order is scheduled. The exception is vehicles scheduled for export or vehicles produced in foreign plants (EcoSport, Transit Connect) for sale in North America which have VIN numbers assigned closer to production. There have been a number of reports lately from BOF members that have called Ford and been told that certain order status information is no longer available. I can't confirm this but it may be a reaction from Ford due to what I expect is a large increase in the volume of phone calls related to order status inquiries. Dealers have 24/7 access to the Vehicle Visibility system which provides complete information on order history, scheduling, production and shipping status. Customers that have placed retail factory orders are encouraged to contact their Dealer for the latest order status.

I would gladly drop the PTBA feature but I don’t want to forfeit the cameras. I wish Ford didn’t pair these things together like this… they must know folks won’t buy some things unless forced to.

JP-I had the same thought on a DEF tank on a current diesel. Big question is just how much E-85 would be required under heavy load conditions. And if that low end power would result in less time in lower gear ranges, would that translate into better MPG that would allow use of smaller gasoline tanks as an offset? A fine line trade off I'm sure, but when the Ecoboost concept became a reality, wasn't one of the talking points that this would make gasoline power more competitive with diesels? And I do recall the flap with MIT. Might make sense to strike a deal with MIT. Also as I understand the Piezo diesel injector technology, it is so sophisticated today that they can actually vary the injection rate during the compression stroke, how difficult would it be to come up with a suitable injection system???? As for E-85, I think we have lost site of what gave rise to the entire ethanol situation. Namely we were allegedly being held hostage by the oil states (OPEC) and this was going to be one avenue toward energy independence. I remember telling my friends..."buy John Deere stock"-wish I had! Well we all know just how well we have done in terms of our own crude production-at least up until November. Other than the current movement to ban all fossil fuels, and the strength of the farm lobby, ethanol use should probably never go beyond E-15.