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Thats a very narrow way of looking at it. There's HUNDREDS of vendors/suppliers that built parts for every vehicle that rolls off the line and Ford cannot micromanage all of them. That's a good way to ruin your reputation and increase costs for no reason. There has to be a certain degree of trust that the chosen vendor can do the job and do it right. Clearly this one is an epic fail.

The MOD tops are different and going to a different supplier now. The MIC roofs are complex but can be made as designed, Webasto just has demonstrated no ability to reliably do so. I don't know what the future holds but they'll be replacing thousands of MIC tops in short order with... something.

It is though. I would know, I'm there every day. There's the usual beginning of production growing pains but from my end and what I see right now it's no worse than what we went through when we launched Ranger from a production standpoint, and that launch was pretty smooth. You absolutely should though. This is an example of a supplier over-promising and under-delivering. Obviously the deck was stacked against them with them building an entire new plant for this program in the middle of a pandemic and they simply did not rise to the occasion. Even Flex-N-Gate, as little as I think of them, was able to come through. Like Akirby said, the biggest thing Ford is guilty of here is choosing the wrong supplier. Not the first time and probably won't be the last. All they can do is minimize the damage as much as possible and hopefully learn from their mistakes.

Hi guys! Great day here with the Bronco at Cedar Point.

I can’t believe you people are getting wound up because Ross said Webasto screwed up the tops. That’s a fact which can’t be disputed. NOBODY is saying that Ford isn’t responsible. NOBODY is saying it’s ok. To my knowledge Ford hasn’t said anything about Webasto - that’s inside info. This is CLEARLY a defective part. Ford will CLEARLY fix this and make it right. But it isn’t something that can be fixed right away. It will take at least a few months. In the meantime the tops are still usable and soft tops still work so it’s not like the vehicles can’t be driven. It sucks, it never should have happened but Ford will fix it. Now if Ford had said “It’s a Webasto problem go talk to Webasto” and denied responsibility and weren’t working to fix it then all this angst would be justified. But Ford isn’t doing that and to my knowledge they’ve never done that so it’s stupid to even suggest that Ford is denying responsibility.

As promised, the met my build by date!

Saying it’s a defect in a Webasto manufactured part doesn’t relieve Ford of any responsibility. With that we’re closing the discussion of liability and responsibility.

There is ZERO spin or contradiction here. It’s a Ford problem for which Ford is responsible and the ROOT CAUSE is a Webasto manufacturing issue. Webasto has to correct the manufacturing problem or Ford has to find a new supplier. That is a totally different process and timeline than if it just an assembly line error.

Latest update is that all MIC top orders will be built with soft tops instead, and dealer will install corrected hardtop at later date. Ford as compensation will add 25,000 points to Ford Pass rewards program.

Received my second email today! 8/2 build, ordered 4/21. 7.3L Lariat Tremor!!

I think you missed my point from yesterday. It's impossible to micromanage every single vendor, supplier and part. There's just far to many. There are multiple processes and contingencies in place that by and large are effective. Maybe it's time to revisit a few of them since this seems to be a troubling pattern and hopefully now that we've seen verification on social media that the CEO himself is definitely aware of it some things will improve.

There were massive efforts made. I can't and won't speak to specifics but there were massive efforts made.

You got a quote at invoice and with the shortage of inventory you want to know if you could get an even better deal? You're kidding, right!

Heard they may have found one problem with tops seperating. The CNC, that trims the panel after molding, was cutting to close to the upper and lower seam. Biggest problem still to be resolved is Webasto can't get enough workers to run plant at levels needed. Ford has sent extra people from Rawsonville and other plants to work there. They have even asked others to volunteer to work there on layoff weeks.

Thank you akirby sir, that's everything that new Bronco owners need to know about the hardtop problems. Nothing more, nothing less.

It should only chime if the keys are in the ignition or the lights are on.

I'm betting that is part of the reason for the stop in production of the weeks of the 12th and 26th.

With that said, it looks like 2022s have started shipping.

I screwed up. PremierDrum posted the message as something Ford SHOULD DO, not something they have done. So looks as of now Ford has not responded to MIC defects. Hopefully Ford will do what Premier recommended. Only give more than 25,000 points.

Bronco Nation. Ford sent out the message posted on Bronco Nation Forum.

Got my email last night after assuming I wouldn't receive anything. Great day.

I believe this one is different though. The people waiting this long for their bronco are hardcore Ford fans and seem way more plugged into what is happening than the average buyer walking into a dealer looking for an Escape or F-150.

Correct, to the public, this is a Ford issue, not a vendor issue...regardless of how loud we cover our ears and yell LALALALALALA. We know the issue and who is responsible, but that's not how the public sees it and trying to change that perception will be like turning the titanic on a dime. Is Ford to partially blame? Absolutely, they should never have let it get this far down the road without interjecting and ensuring the tops are of quality worthy of being on their vehicles. Also, let's be real, you don't think Ross or anyone else with these issues will go to Webasto to get this resolved; they will go to Ford. ...and I know this is a Ford site, but let's be honest, if this were happening to Jeep or GM, we'd be all over it as proof of their crappy quality. I honestly think Ford should be micromanaging their suppliers, so stuff like this does not happen (and I hope they are). As far as they should be concerned, they work for Ford, and their processes and parts should go through the same scrutiny that Ford would do with their internally sourced parts. Let's just hope Ford puts their very loud megaphone to Webasto and gets them to make these tops with better QC and solves this before it gets any worse. I hope they have Ford engineers in there overseeing everything from this point until they are dumped for another supplier.

Everyone on this site knows the importance or destruction a vendor can play but not the general public who've plunked down $50-60k for this vehicle and waited well over a year. Ultimately this is Ford's fault since it is their name on the vehicle and they've selected the vendors. I cannot believe Ford was not intimately involved in the QC process as the top went thru development, since it is such a major component of the vehicle. Glad to hear the launch is similar to one's you experienced in the past. I really hope though that they make this right for the affected customers.....something Ford has CLEARLY failed to do in the past!!

Sure... Lets see...super popular subject that will generate clicks increase ad revenue...lets run a story on EVERY little thing that pops up. Outside of the roof issue, which is a complete clusterfuck, reporting a single, two or three identical problems out of 800 produced and sold Broncos works out to a less then 1% failure.

You need to talk to the Dealer and tell them to make sure your e-mail address is included with your order in the WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system. A copy of the WBDO detail page will show all the vehicle specifications and options but will not show the e-mail address. There's a separate window in WBDO where the customer e-mail is attached to the order. In addition, the Dealer should have a signed Buyer's Order and a copy of your Driver's License to submit to the COVP (Customer Order Verification Program) to be eligible for expedited scheduling and incremental allocation.

Priority codes and allocation are separate but related subjects. A Dealer normally needs allocation in order to get vehicles scheduled that week and then the priority codes would apply in determining the order in which vehicles are reviewed for selection to be scheduled. The exception would be an order that has been placed and verified in the COVP (Customer Order Verification Program) for expedited scheduling with incremental allocation. Retail orders use priority codes 10-19 which are assigned by the dealership. Only the regional office can assign a "01" priority code. Each dealership's USOB (Unscheduled Order Bank) is independent from any other dealership as are the order priority codes and allocation.

Seriously what? Ross also posted yesterday that those with orders should relax and that all is great in the world of MAP production. It’s a shit show. There are roofs on Broncos that were delivered to customers with defects day 1. Do you blame the supplier? I don’t. Good luck taking delivery of your Bronco and being satisfied with the MIC roof. I will happily wait this out with soft top orders but hope that FORD decides to compensate those who have defective tops.

It's rough, but I suppose a brand new model with new components from a new supplier launching during a global pandemic had a ton to do with this. The truck is awesome and I love driving it. People stop me daily to talk about it. They smile. It's fun to look at and more fun to drive. The roof is being poorly manufactured, the fruit of a business relationship that has already fractured beyond salvation. The design behind the roof was likely too complex to pull off in real world manufacturing situations. Webasto assured Ford they could and Ford trusted them. I have to believe these will all be replaced at some point, as they're not exactly repairable and are already falling apart. I'm still enjoying every bit of driving it while they sort out the mess.

Everest is the same size as 7 seat Edge sold in China. So slightly bigger than Bronco but about 6" shorter than Explorer - Roughly the same size as Toyota 4Runner. L x W x H //WB Edge (5 seat) 188.1" x 75.9" x 68.6" // 112.2" Bronco (4 door) 190.5" x 75.9" x 70.2" // 116.1" Edge (7 seat) 192" x 75.9" x 68.6" // 112.2" Everest 192.6" x 73.3" x 72.3" // 112.2" Explorer 198.8" x 78.9" x 69.9" // 119.1" 4Runner 191.3" x 75.8" x 71.5" // 109.8"

Yes sir jpd80, that is correct. In the U.S., Camry sales to retail buyers remain strong. The TMMK plant in Kentucky recently produced its 10 millionth Camry. Toyota Celebrates Production of 10 Millionth Camry in Kentucky - Toyota USA Newsroom

Have you been here since Steel Vengeance opened?!? Currently in line to ride it for the 5th time today. Absolutely indescribable. No kids or spouses today, just me and a friend, so we bit the bullet and did FastLane Plus and I can't imagine this day without it. BUSY.

But not in a new Bronco with a fucked up top! Glad you are having fun Premier and like Akirby mentioned it’s not like you can’t enjiy and drive the vehicle. Would be totally different if they had a stop sale and do not drive message out there!! All is good i

Likely scenario, Webasto can build the tops just fine, as demonstrated by the pre-production units. What is probably happening is a process issue that was introduced when they ramped up to full production rates. Either the mix of the resin is off, the oven temp is off, or the curing time is off. Something that a team of productions engineers should be able to identify pretty quickly. The bigger issue is that the solution may slow down production rates or cost more or take a significant change in the production process that leads to a long delay.

Santa Cruz looks like nice truck, but Koreans need better power trains that post better fuel mileage numbers. Maverick hybrid doubles Cruz mileage with more power and much cheaper to boot. Only negative is hybrid comes FWD only.

I did the same. 22 Lariat f350 6.7 Tremor w/value and black appearance (to replace the cancelled xlt tremor). No utt, no adaptive steering. I personally do not need all the fancy electronic gizmos. To me it's still a nice truck and will be light years better than the 2007 f250 6.0 it will be replacing. Like all corporations, its about money first and customer 2nd, Ford is no exception. I will say, my dealer has been very professional and communicate good, but i ordered on 4/20/21 and still nothing. Yet platinums, KR, and ultimate lariats I feel are getting production dates that ordered as late as first week in july. I need the truck and therefore will wait

Correct. It’s the same bed

I don’t know what you’re reading but nobody here has said or implied anything to the contrary. So now you’re just stirring up shit for no reason arguing about things that weren’t said.

Awaiting Shipment - Released Ramp 59, Dearborn Truck, MI Jul-12-2021, 00:00 EDT. ETA Aug-12-2021.

June 3rd not the 5th. In Order Processing - Unscheduled- Clean Jun-03-2021, 14:16 EDT.

thank you!

Thank you. Much appreciated.

The Art of the Deal, had Patriot anti-missile systems in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, and Kuwait. All these defensive systems were installed during the bad orange man`s administration, intended to put Iran on notice and defend our allies in the region. With the agreement of defending allies in the middle east in place, then the art of the deal moved forward with something very few even thought could be dreamed of, but then with negotiations through a team with business experience brought forth the Abraham Acord. Then with a good business sense and commitment to allies that put enemies of one as enemies of all within the art of the deal. Then in a show of intent the enemy lost key members that never had a chance to act against any member of the alliance of allies, ever again. Now... Russia took the red lines drawn by Jobama and giggled all the way home. China has been bullying Taiwan and now states on their national TV they will use nuclear weapons on Tokyo. What is the art of the steal administrations response? Um lets make Iran happy? United States pulled a number of anti-missile systems from several Middle East countries over the past month. The art of the steal administration agreed to unfreeze significant Iranian assets most were in the Iran’s oil trade. Iran’s Foreign Minister announced on state-run television that the art of the steal administration has already agreed to lift a huge amount of the remaining sanctions. The art of the deal was done with the reality in place, the strongest multi national military forces known to the worlds population sitting waiting to act in the best interest of the allies. One of a few enemies stumbled into these forces abilities within his "safe zone" and had enemy leaders realized just what can be done, to you. The art of the steal...?

?? I guess I’ll just have to buy them and see.

Wait…that’s normal now? This whole launch has been a joke no matter how you feel about the Ford employees working to assemble a great product. I refuse to blame this on a supplier at this point. Ford made the final decision on the hardtop construction and chose the supplier…then decided to deliver defective tops to the customer. I sincerely hope those who have taken delivery of their Bronco are compensated appropriately. I suppose it’s a good thing that only 100’s rather than tens of thousands of Broncos are “in the wild” thus far.

Bob- no the 600s are definitely not part of those numbers, that figure is 100% just F650/F750. The 600s would be part of the 2800 odd Super Duty Trucks built at Avon Lake in June.

Sales Manager who is the guy that ordered the truck is who couldn’t figure it out. So sad. I am one of those people that if I am going to do something, whatever my job is, I am going to know how to do it inside and out. I make sure I know all there is to know. Seems like a lot of people today just do as little as possible to keep their job.

Our dealership stocks all Super Duty pickups, where optional, with the Roof Clearance Lights. In 35 years, we've never had a customer say they didn't want them and no one has ever asked about different color lights.

On price, efficiency, and size, it seems like the Maverick is the dream of every Internet curmudgeon who has ever complained about the size, weight, price, excess, etc. of the F150. "If they'd just make a 2-door, 4-cyl, 1985 Ranger again I'd go buy it!" Well, the Maverick is basically just that: the opposite end of the spectrum from an F150. I'll be interested to see the demographic of Maverick buyers. However, I am having trouble seeing people cross-shopping the Santa Cruz and the Mav. The Santa Cruz looks like it's trying to bat out of its league (highly, um, "expressive" styling, powerful available engines, and bigger capacity numbers) while the Mav looks like it is deliberately trying to stay in a narrow, pre-defined lane (standard hybrid, surprising price-beater, traditional styling). If you are enamored with the S.C.'s exterior appearance, I can't see how you would be interested in the very conventional styling of the Mav unless price and efficiency were your primary interests.

Dealer says my my new 2021 SD 350 is due offline on the 23rd Im pumped.