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Great news, my 2022 King Ranch f350 7.3 4x4 was built 7/23. Window sticker popped up Friday as well. My dealer didn't lie about getting it late summer. Ordered in April. Can't wait.

If anybody should sue, it’s blues clues

There is part of me that wonders if there is something in the design that makes manufacturing very difficult. We'll probably never know for sure.

Another frivolous-ass lawsuit on the part of GM much like them suing FCA claiming union bribes set their company behind. In reality, it is GM's poor management that is setting them behind.

I called Ford Marketing today and they were nice enough to send me a picture of my truck.

I just checked the Pepsi and Coors Light websites. My hood and tailgate are still beverages on store shelves waiting to be consumed and recycled before Ford can schedule my build.

too many people focus on tow weight, but with a 1/2T & to a lesser extent, 3/4T, payload capacity is often the limiting factor. There are many components that are affected by tow and payload. One of the biggest is tires. I could not believe the improvement towing with my F150 after I put on "E" truck tires. It is a completely different vehicle while towing. For the weight police, I wouldn't hesitate to tow up to mfg max recommendations, HOWEVER, the closer one is to the max, or even over, the less fun the drive I've heard one rule of thumb is 3/4 capacity, and that's probably not bad number for inexperienced drivers towing heavy trailers.

In my 2015 F-150 I regularly towed right at the max rating and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Towing anything heavy requires an appropriate level of respect and focus. I wouldn't say it was stressful, but it also wasn't a leisurely Sunday drive. Obviously towing well below the limits is more comfortable, but when my F-350 arrives I'd have no problem pushing it to it's max rating either.

I ordered 3/18 and still isn’t scheduled should happen when they start adaptive Steering was holding me up I deleted it from order last Monday !!!! Good luck !!!

many of us ordered months before you and are in the same boat still.

The weight weenies are always lurking......

Seems pretty obvious this is a difficult design to manufacture, but it’s also clear Webasto agreed to do it and it’s clear they did it for the preproduction models. It sounded like they were very late getting their production facility up and running so there wasn’t much time for testing at full production capacity. Ford already delayed production once because of the tops so I can understand not wanting to delay again. Maybe they can get the manufacturing process sorted out quickly.

Just because a truck is rated to tow at 14K, doesn't mean you should...just means that if it rated at 14K, imagine how well it will handle 7K-9K worth of trailer....if you are towing 14K on the regular, get a 3/4 ton or higher truck.

If you click on that link you’ll see the next paragraph is where Ross talks about the hardtop having issues.

So what make you think this is Fords issue? Where is your proof? To me seems like you have an axe grind here.

JX1, I’m not connected with Ford so all good. I think Fuzzy will back me up here that tooling tryouts happen first to confirm pressings are correct then comes Validation Prototypes…… those first Bronco tryouts were around April 2020 and protos produced the next month. Unless the vehicle is a close variation of an existing vehicle, field evaluation and validation is usually ~12 months. Things like Bronco long term frame testing happen about two years out with Attribute Prototypes (weird looking Ranger mules)

I think Fuzzy was referring to products beyond the Mustang. This chip shortage screwed up everything and it seems that Ford has taken the biggest hit. I am sure that any new product in addition to the Mustang will be build after the new Mustang is launched.

Thanks for the polite reply, I appreciate it. Now I understand you might be in a sensitive position, so anything about internal processes I bring, you are most welcome to not directly respond. This right here is an example of some past phases, which may or may not mirror the present. I did leave some things out, for IP reasons. I have noticed in the second visual, VP stage the first phase of final tophat put into testing, now is indeed some 12 months before Job 1. That is very different than before, as the above example was the CD391 program. Second one is from much more recently. Tooling trials I thought came after VP? Perhaps Ford has sped up their process, meaning a lot of things that use to come much earlier in program development, can be done much later in the game? “Launch” phase develops between the FDJ and the J1 Gateways, which is, from when the design is finished and frozen until when everything is confirmed within the Plant to start serial Production, which is confirmed at the J1 Gateway. The main activities would be: Engineering Completion: By working with the suppliers, the final engineering of each part is finalized and the suppliers tools done and tested. First off tool parts are manufactured and, with these, the second Prototype Build is done: VP or Verification Prototype. The intention of these builds is to test not only the engineering design meet the Vehicle requirements (Customer and Legal) but also that the supplier’s tools, and in some cases also the processes, can produce parts that also meet these requirements. In house processes are also tested and fine tuned, like BIW (Body In White) and Paint facilities. Manufacturing processes are defined and training planned. Some of the VP vehicles are used to train plant operators on assembly processes, as well as to define in detail the assembly process. From these two activities is normal that changes are made to the product, not affecting its features, but to polish some parts, making them better suited for assembly, for example. Homologation activities kick off: On a project as complex a whole vehicle, and with so many different legal requirements, the homologation activities are long and resource consuming. Some of the VP vehicles will be destined, not only for Engineering Verification testing, but also for homologation activities, such as environmental emissions or crash tests. The main sub Gateway of this phase would FEC, or Final Engineering Completion. By “passing through” this Gateway the project is confirmed to have met the Product Requirements outlined during the Strategy phase and it is ready to go into production. The Project Manager and sponsor will be allowed then to commit the resources to “launch” the vehicle into the plant. This stage is what is more known as “Launch”, as the vehicle enters the plant and the Pre Production Builds are conducted. These Pre Production Builds are mostly two: Tool Trial (TT) and Pre Production (PP). The intention of the first is to try out all the manufacturing processes, both in house and at the supplier base. This will tense, for the first time, this processes, confirming they are able to deliver, in time, to cost and quality (Just in Time philosophy) the product. These vehicles will be used for the so called PV testing (Production Verification) to confirm that what has been built using industrial processes still meets product requirements. During VP the testing is called DV (Design Verification). The last build before going into serial production is the PP, as a last trial to fine tune and polish processes, complete training of BAU operators and users. The other main Launch activity will be the marketing plans initiation and the Press Release, usually done with PP vehicles, as they would be the most refined ones so far. The Launch phase finishes with the Job 1 confirmation, with the confirmation of entering full serial production and ramp up, once it has been confirmed all the processes are capable of delivering parts and vehicles in time, to cost and quality. Let’s not forget that the product has been validated as meeting requirements twice: at M1 during the delivery phase and at VP during the first half of the Launch phase. MP1 Mass Production 1&2 MP1 - produce first customer saleable unit through the full production system without retrofit and delivers Okay-to-Buy target MP2 - begin acceleration to full production line rate at the required level Suppliers, Manufacturing facilities ans Assembly Plants have completed Production Validation and are capable to accelerate at MP1 and are stable at MP2 Ford is either using a later phase of prototyping for field runs or running a much shorter timetable on final development. They say that P552 development wrapped for engineering sign-off in December 2013 and Job 1 was November 11, 2014. Heck, this was the point Ford had reached according to my T3 affiliated contact in 2017. P702 Final Appearance Approval on November 17, 2017 at 4:06PM CST Actual 2021 F-150 in Metal Clearly at Ford there is still a very long gap till production and Allen Park would've built their own first units in 2018, before River Rouge built the first test units in April 2019? We saw those in May 2019 in camo if IIRC. P702 Job 1 was eventually delayed a total of 4-5 months to October 12, 2020. I swear I saw a May 15th or June 15, 2020 Job 1 for that pre-pandemic in a supplier PDF. It disappeared rather quickly I remember. Tooling Trials I think, never precede that stage of prototyping, so color me confused right now. Or are tooling tryouts, different Tooling Trials? Bronco Tooling Trials were said to be mid-2020, when scheduled for 12/7/2020 J1. Eventually it became September 2020 for TT, when dealing with a March 22, 2021 Job 1. Later got delayed again to May/June Job 1 though. Thank you for your response, it is much respected and appreciated insight. Very good point and quite understandable, as I don't know either. Maybe what Ford Calls X0 or X1 mules? The earliest phase of prototyping, before M1 which has the underbody or running gear of the next gen vehicle, whereas "X" mules do isolated tests for differing components? FRAP just as I imagined it, being shutdown, means S650 must be delayed then. Unfortunate. They are not even producing MY 2022 until January, so even if S650 was Q4 2022, it easily slips into first half of 2023. No new products there? Does that include the coupe then? Sounds like the sedan claim is farfetched or perhaps maybe that hasn't been identified to plant staff yet? If another new product was planned, maybe it's MY 2024 from the getgo and doesn't reach FRAP personnel until 18 months out? Something definitely isn't going right due to chip shortage and they're playing their cards much closer to vest as a result. Typically anyway, 90% of prototype testing is within company proving grounds and not really public. Only the Germans, turned it into a regular marketing stunt. I guess Ford is content with their own controlled environment and until the last MY is in showrooms, I guess to hide it away.

I placed my order on 7/5. F-350 XLT CCSB 7.3L 4.30 rear axle. Nothing too special as far as options...5th wheel prep, spray-in bed liner, fog lamps, running boards, center console and camper package. Ford marketing said it's "in order processing" but no VIN or date scheduled yet. I hope I get lucky and it gets scheduled on 8/12.

This is GM being petty because the best they could come up with was Super Cruise Blue Cruise is something that links Ford to self driving and GM knows it’s been gazumped…..

A few reboots and a longer power off seems to have resolved the issue.

Curious if it has anything to do with how far the truck has to travel? Mine was built on the 22nd, Dealer ETA 7 August, and gives me a message "Est shipping 9 days"...guess we'll see! UPDATE: Showing as shipped with dealer delivery 1 - 7 August.

GM needs to focus on fixing their Bolt's so they don't catch on fire...

I think Ford should counter-sue for GM's use of the word "Super"...after all, Ford calls a line of their trucks Super Duty and then there is Super Crew, Super Cab and so forth and so on....

It will be interesting to see if Ford holds on to its Rivian investment or sell after the IPO. Ford's investment in Rivian is in theory worth more than Ford itself at the kind of valuation that people are guessing for Rivian. So either Ford stock has to go WAY up to reflect its investment in Rivian or it Rivian is going to crash after IPO. I'm guessing Farley will hold the stock and watch Wall St try to justify the valuation difference between the two companies.

Mine showed built 7/21 and just updated this morning on fords tracker as shipped!

This seems like GM just being desperate for attention

The "Ramp Code" is the final rail ramp destination.

Im still not convinced those were S650 mules. The problem is I don't know what they could have been otherwise though. With FRAP being closed for most of the summer so far due the chip shortage I would imagine any launch schedule, whether it's a continuation of the S550 program or S650, has probably been delayed. FWIW my good friend who works there hasn't heard anything about any new products.

If we’re about 12 months out, the first tooling tryouts would be happening soon, after that comes first batch of prototypes………

Sad but funny and likely true too. I hope this market has taught all of us a listen about dealers. I used to think they were all bad, but I seen the good really shine among all the bad ones out there. We'll all be smarter the next purchase. ??

that is awesome! great news for not only you but everybody waiting on their super duty

I ordered the Antimatter Blue after seeing one in the sunlight. I think it looked awesome. Going to ceramic coat as soon as it is here.