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Not uncommon to read, "gusied up Ford platform" or "pulled from the Fords parts bin to create the Aviator", etc. Yet when they review a Toyota, it's "The excellent TGNA platform from Toyota" when reviewing a Lexus. I've made similar comments on their website blogs, I had one reviewer actually apologize because enough people had "liked" my post he felt like responding. That's all really anyone can do, is help educate.

That is true.. if the badge was changed to say some company with a T or H on it.. the best ever.. but if Ford, or Lincoln..no good.. I have a 16 MKZ hybrid.. heard the critics say warmed over ford..NOT… liked the looks better and a few options not even available on a ford.. but.. they drive a vehicle for maybe a day or 2.. and are expert on it.. sad..very sad.. but just like movie critics.. personal opinions...that is it..

this will be used on the Baby Bronco, dont know about actual Bronco. Anyways ive said to much already.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/10/17/ford-introduces-north-americas-largest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html

MEEEE TOOOO

That's unfortunately the trade off for eliminating the second tier. The company saves money by paying workers less for longer. The endgame is one tier and one pay scale. Newer workers will benefit from it quicker (a $7 an hour raise in their 4th year! WOW), but 4+ year workers will still work longer to top out. I think that's why they increased the signing bonus. They didn't want to take the $7 an hour hit now, but were okay taking the hit in 2023. It's not fair that some workers will work 8 years to top out, while new hires will top out in 4. Maybe the UAW should try to get those Ford workers who are effected by that a bonus for each extra year worked at the lower wage, or a contribution made into their 401k's for their extra time. It could help get a YES vote from them, because that will be a sticking point for those workers. The company only cares about getting a 51% approval, but the union could at least ask to try to make it right.

They mostly despise domestic brands and turn up their noses at Lincolns as re-badged Fords, even though they share hardly any exterior or interior parts. Meanwhile look at the models with some of the worst reliability and depreciation, and you'll see the coveted German ones.

It’s much bigger than an EcoSport , probably ideal for buyers who Want something like a Fusion but not as tall as a full on Utility

Well,3 plants are closing and that means fewer employees but that is the nature of the business.Times change and consumer preferences change.I think some people are overly optimistic that their personal situation will be addressed.Other than that I think the GM contract is $$$$ Rich and i hope Ford gets $11,000 in new money for a signing bonus!

Hi jfischetti. Yes, I am familiar with what "420 sailboat" is. It is your new Aviator and you are obviously free to do what you want. However, Lincoln/Ford do not make any distinction about size or weight being towed, only not to tow for the first 1,000 mile break-in period. I'm only offering the information and advice. Good luck with your new Aviator. 🙂

Hi Kansas. Yes, that is one problem with buying off the lot. And yes, holes are drilled in the bumper to install the bracket. If you really must have that one, you can buy push-pin type plugs and paint them to match the bumper. It will disguise/hide the holes to some extent. What i consider to be a better solution, and this has been discussed in other threads...but have you thought about factory ordering your Aviator? For those who do not need the car immediately, I highly recommend it. Taking the advice of my father, I have factory ordered every car of mine, since my first new car in 1976. You don't need to settle for almost-everything-you-want. You order and get exactly what you want, in the color you want. It has not been sitting on the lot or been test driven (possibly hard) by god knows who. It is ordered and built as you like it, is delivered to the Dealer, prepped and given to you(after you pay...of course...lol). Then you can be sure the front license plate bracket is not installed. And since the Aviator is in short supply at the moment, you may even be able to negotiate a better price on a factory order, since you will not seem desperate to get one immediately. Anyway, just a thought if you are not an impulse buyer who must have it today. Let us know how you make out and good luck.

LMAO!🤣

This isn’t Fords network. They’re creating a membership which allows access to multiple providers through one Ford account. Great idea, but not really the same as Tesla’s network.

In progression should have gotten an extra raise upon contract signing, instead of a lump sum bonus to make the process even quicker. Bonuses are good, but raises are BETTER and permanent!

They should make them a community standard with a particular vendor so they all look the same and meet the neighborhood architectural standards. This will probably become a requirement that HOAs cannot disallow like satellite dishes.

The only issues I've had are an occasional landscaping reminder and having to fill out forms before making changes. That's it. Never had anything denied. We just built a pool at our new house and it was approved with no questions in 1 week. It's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be (with a few exceptions). In return you get amenities like tennis courts (tennis is huge in Atlanta - every neighborhood has multiple teams), swimming pool (with swim teams for the kids), basketball, baseball, volleyball courts, walking trails, clubhouse that can be used for meetings and special events, etc. etc. etc. And you don't have to worry about your neighbors killing your property value.

Totally agree. I've never even considered a Lincoln before, and the funny thing is the whole reason I even LOOKED at a Lincoln was for the stereo!!! Crazy as that sounds, I was sick and tired of listening to my wife complain about the Meridian stereo in her FPace. Being married to a sound engineer she's even more picky than me! So I researched what car stereo STOCK is great, and possibly even better when upgraded. And the first thing that popped up was the Lincoln Revel system! Okay... well let's look at that! So that led us to listening to the Ultima system in an Aviator and we were sold, at least on the reality that you can buy a really good car stereo stock. Next up was actually convincing my wife to test drive a BL Nautilus which was an act of Congress, but it worked and now we're waiting for our lovely car to be built. While we've always been Jag fans, the problems of Jags and LR's are steep. I was super interested in the new I-Pace, but you read the forum problems and there's just no way I'm going to consider that car. It seems like American cars for the most part are more reliable. My ELR is super reliable! I look forward to having all American cars again, Which will be a Lincoln, a Cad and a Dodge Promaster...

Aside from it not being a Focus Active, yes.

Just to let you guys know a little piece of not so important information, I work at Oakville Assembly Complex and we just finished production of the last MKT'S last week. The Flex is due to be phased out December 1st. We are working 10s in Trim Chassis and Paint. In Bodybuild, we are still on 3 shifts till January when the company wants to cancel the c-shift. Not set in stone though. It will be interesting to see what and if we get anything other than NG EDGE NAUTILUS after our contract next year. Our plant is massive and can easily handle more products. Dollar is lower and yes it fluctuates so we shall see what FOMOCO has in store for our 1 Canadian Assembly Plant. Fords little Canadian footprint.

You are correct.The overall majority decides the contract.If the new terms says that trades does not make 1 penny more than production and instead, spread that extra money around to everybody and it passes by a majority,its gold.Trades are kept happy with overtime.

careful what you wish for, a bean counter might hear you....

I think we are reading into this way too much. Ford has already begun switching over the old Fiesta plant for the Mach E and Baby Bronco. Mexican production will allow a greater distribution network to other nations as it has cheaper labor and has better trade deals. Escape and Corsair stay as only products for Louisville. Also remember that China will start building the Corsair. That will save around 1,500-2,000 units of production for North America. Also have seen rumors the Escape will be built in Argentina to replace Focus production. This means Mexico and other Latin American markets might get production from that plant instead leaving the Louisville to only have to serve (mostly) the US and Canada. Again, that frees up production. As for what could join the Baby Bronco and Mach E at the old Fiesta plant? There were old rumors in China that were calling for a smaller than-MkC (at that time) crossover. That would most certainly be on the slightly smaller version of C2 with the Baby Bronco.

I was really hoping the Fusion replacement was going on CD6, oh well.

You can see that in the mule behind it also-Not 100% if they are the same product, but the mule in the back has a shell over something that is smaller-since the wheels sit in about 2 inches from the body

They're certainly keeping their cards close to the vest. Hopefully soon we'll start getting some more info. We just need to fast forward to the upcoming shows. They'd have to do it right. I'd be concerned about pulling the brand too low too early. Nothing you see there is final anything.