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The UEV platform is capable of lots of body styles with different top hats. There are only 3 models as of last I heard. The Fathom pickup, the sister CUV, and the Lincoln version of the Ford CUV. Nothing else firm happening yet.

Essentially yes. But no the Flex name will not be returning. It does not fit this vehicle at all. Remember this is a $25,000 small SUV. 5 passenger only, no 3 rows. I don’t know what name is in the running for this but the rumors have been: Maverick Sport Explorer Sport Escape Again it is very Ford SUV like. Not Ford Bronco like. Think Maverick, current Explorer and original Escape mixed together. This little SUV will be a critical and very focused product with very high volume expectations. It will be the new entry level vehicle for Ford.

No actually the current generation S650 will end with MY29. The sedan was originally supposed to join the current gen but it was thought that the styling would be stale by the time it came out. So the current gen’s lifecycle was shortened. The sedan will join the next gen and will be launched in 2029 as a MY30.

Someone rendered the sedan sketch sherm showed into a real car. I'm digging this personally.

Borg does have a source inside and a lot of his info is correct. But not always and if you dare question him or point out when he's wrong he gets his panties in a wad. He's an attention whore that gets off on "I know something you don't know".

This is the C2 Hybrid Utility which will essentially be a “Maverick SUV” but with a different name. They will share every from the b-pillar forward. But each with different rear doors, one has a bed and one will have an enclosed rear cargo area with a liftgate.

They could still move Nautius and Corsair to Cuautitlan. It would be a mistake to walk away from those 2 in favor of EVs.

If you ask me the Nautilus should’ve NEVER been imported from China in the first place or any other Lincoln for that matter.

That would be a good start styling wise for a Mach E replacement IMO

I heard today that the MY27 Nautilus and MY27 Corsair are still waiting on US approval to import. There is a moderate chance they don’t get approved. I think this announcement might be part of an agreement to get temporary approval for the next 3 years to import those models with the commitment to build the successors to the Nautilus and Corsair in the US in the future.

MAP to be all derivatives and body styles of Bronco, including the BP. TTP is an additional T6 plant. There is no BP Pro to my knowledge. But the confusion might the additional affordable T6 pickup from TTP which is to be more traditional.

Good morning everyone! Catching up from the weekend, had 48 hours of not thinking about the car business. Kinda. It's never fully off. Ford's suggestion/guidance/directive about how we (dealers) should post the price, you're right, has zero to do with this thread or site. That was more of a "how dealers were told to show it" thing. There's actually been shockingly little we've been allowed to really post. Partly because some things we've been directed to not just post out in the world (silly), but mostly because we're not being shown any more than the public. I fully expect to see real info on Car & Driver a day before Ford tells us as dealers what we'll have. MSRP is a weird thing. Before I launch into this, it's not specifically directed at anyone, more of an educational blurb. When you look at a lot of F-150's, there's actually an MSRP before package discounts. Here's an example of one we've got here. So, you've got total vehicle price. Add D&D to that. Then, from that "high MSRP", you subtract the package discounts. "High MSRP" is used when calculating lease residuals (not payment though), so big package discounts help a vehicle lease a little better. Some dealers use "high MSRP" in their web advertising, lumping the package discounts into their ad discount so it looks like a bigger discount. When you see $10000 off in a truck ad, regardless of manufacturer, that's probably starting at "high MSRP", then rebates, then an actual discount... which could be pretty minimal. On the dealer fees issue, as a long-time dealership guy at this point, this is another educational thing. There's dealer fees, and then there's dealer fees. A dealer/document fee that's added to help absorb some of the costs of doing business, that's the first one. Is it "pure profit" like a lot of people think? No, it's helping defray some of the costs of doing business. Some... nowhere near all. In some states, the dealer fee is regulated in one way or another. I read a while back that Florida caps the dealer fee at $999. Thus, every dealer (every one I've seen anyway) sets theirs at $999. The OTHER version of "dealer fees" are the ones that the FTC are up in arms about, and rightly so. That would be "hard add-on items", things that are already done to the vehicle that can't be removed. Nitrogen filled tires. Window tint. Paint protection packages. Passive anti-theft systems. That kind of thing. What happens there is that you see a car online with an $40000 MSRP, advertised for $35000, plus a $499 dealer fee. When you get there, it's got $5500 in hard add products that weren't anywhere on the website, or even sometimes on the window sticker. Can't remove them, they're on every vehicle on the lot, but gee, maybe we can knock a couple hundred bucks off a couple of those products for you. That kind of thing is super shady, IMO. Digital Key, from what I'd read somewhere (maybe even here?) didn't actually mean the current "Phone As Key" system, it's something different. Not sure if that's new fob technology or what though. My thoughts as well, it's a name. It's less polarizing than "Mustang Mach-E" was... and still is. And the depth below the surface line of thinking is exactly what I'm seeing, too. There's going to be a lot going on here. I seem to remember hearing Ford saying that the price tag is the least exciting thing about this truck. If that's true, well, it's going to take a lot because the price of entry is pretty impressive. Heh... I don't know if it was true, but I heard there was an issue with racoons trying to break into Cybertrucks because visually, they look like dumpsters. Probably just someone telling stories to be funny, but it's plausible. 😄

https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-suvs/nautilus/2027/?gnav=header-vehicles-vhp-nautilus

The Panther mafia lives! Sofas on wheels for everybody!

2027 Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC Convertible Officially Debuts As 800 HP Drop-Top The 2027 Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC convertible adds an open-air option for buyers who want power and freedom all rolled into one. It's the first high-performance Mustang convertible available since 2013, and shares its bones with the Mustang Dark Horse GT convertible. However, to support its massive powerhouse, The Blue Oval implemented a lightweight magnesium tower-to-tower brace across the top of the engine, proving additional structural integrity. https://fordauthority.com/2026/08/2027-ford-mustang-dark-horse-sc-convertible-officially-debuts-as-800-hp-drop-top/

Cool vehicle, but I still hate the name.

ExplorerDude did tell us that CD6 wasn’t going away and instead it would be expanded.

This is very random that they just dropped the refreshed model on their site without any actual debut? Nice to see they're actually updating their products more consistently though (benefit of importing a Chinese model, I guess.....)

Also has xray vision and can see the smallest details through heavy camo.....🙄😝

Yep, set your charge target in the app. It's better for the battery for certain chemistries (I can't keep track of what's what). Also, as the charge reaches 80%, the charge rate slows down to control heat and battery damage. The Mach-E with the "other" battery chemistry will remind you to charge to 100% weekly if you don't do it. I do that on my iPhone too using the recommended target of 80%.

The interior isn't terrible, but not impressive either.

And your ICE MPG also drops a bit in winter… neither comes close to the 50% drop that exists in winter for previous gen EVs. My lightning goes from 280 to about 150 anytime it gets into the low 30’s. LFP by this metric would go from 280 to ~250. Hardly noticeable for most users except on long road trips. Even then it’s relatively minimal. LFP needs to be charged up to 100% at least weekly. To protect the battery and calibrations. This will work far better for the general public.

I couldn't resist sharing this morning's Moderately Confused" comic about fuel prices. Just last week Trump was talking about gas prices and claiming that he'd seen prices at $1.85/gallon in Iowa. I then looked at GasBuddy.com and saw that the average price for regular grade gas in Iowa was $3.35!

A long drip feed or delay from the time it’s shown to when it’s actually produced is also a good way to make a new product already feel old. Camaro and the VW EV bus were victims of this.

Is that really news? To me, it says as things become more expensive across the board (both vehicles and non-vehicles), people will shift from a more expensive product to a less expensive product, especially if it offers the same features (which wasn't the case years ago when you could only get certain features on luxury vehicles that are now common place.

So for those keeping track, using the info in the thread: 2027MY Ford Fathom Midsized EV Pickup 2028.5MY Bronco Sport (assuming this is related to the EU Bronco product) 2029MY F-150 2030MY "F-100/F-100 Super Duty"/Affordable pickup/Ford Pro product (based on production starting at TTP in 2029) 2030MY "Escape"-$25K Hybrid Utility based on the Maverick 2030MY Mustang Mach 4/Sedan and Coupe 2030/31MY EREV launch for the F-series 2031MY Bronco/Bronco Pickup (lines up with expected EOP put out eariler) ????MY Ford Pro Van product? Quotes are product names being used a placeholder till confirmation. Only outlier I see here is that there isn't any new UEV product launching anytime soon after the Fathom-I'd figured they'd have a new product launch with 24 months or less based on it.

Spot on!

I found this image from an article. It’s a render of what they believe the Fathom will look like. I really like the look.

I believe Ford considers the Ranger as one of its icon vehicles. Seems strange to get rid of it for some other truck that fills the same segment.

I'm willing to guess this: What was shown in 2024 was a drawing or something along those lines of a four door Mustang-we might have seen it already, it might have been this: With that said, I'd guess this is what is going to happen: The Mustang Mach 4 sedan will launch late in 2028 as a 2029 Model. It will be based on the current S650 platform, but massaged and updated to make it cheaper to build/etc with what was learned with CE1 program. Styling will be similar to the current coupe but updated. The Coupe launches in the summer of 2029, with the improvements that where put into the sedan. I wouldn't expect a huge change in styling like Deluxstang wants in a Mustang...that isn't gonna happen, but going by what is shown above, that should work fine for the next gen Mustang.

Probably the second dumbest thing on a Ford. First, they decide not to lubricate the PowerShift transmission, then they decide to lubricate a belt.

Definitely a duck bill. It looks terrible. Can’t believe the article calls it gorgeous.

I agree, even for the other trims too. If you want a larger grille, make the grille larger, don’t just add a 3” black outline to it.

I think it will have a tough time going up against the pushrod Tahoe. The Tahoe appeals to the "Keep it simple " people who get turned off to the 3.5's relative complexity. A Coyote would be an improvement and if they really wanted to address that concern even the 7.3 would be a winner IMO. Just listen to Ford's sales pitch on that. I'm sure it is a matter of balancing various production capabilities.

technically the GE1 platform is a heavily modified C2 chassis to start with, so it would not be a huge leap to put C2 chassis vehicles into the plant.

And confirmed it was a mustang CUV.

Nope, it wasn’t you. Someone else said another “insider” claimed it was the actual colors and they already have names for all of them.

We pretty much know there's a crossover version of Fathom.....presumably just a Fathom with the bed covered, so that's 1. That would leave 3 more if there's 5. For what it's worth, the graphic they revealed with the platform debut showed the following 5 form factors: 1) A Truck (Fathom): 2) Two van graphics (2A) one with 1 row cargo van (2B) 2-row passenger van 3) A small crossover: 4) A medium crossover: 5) A 3-row crossover: That right there equals 5 (vans count as one product/body style ). With how low Fathom is, the small crossover could be right around hatch size....

I have a feeling that this shape of the long rounded corners and circles is going to be a reoccurring design on the vehicle, going by the other post

Is this an opinion or from actual info? Yeah he apparently has sources, and somehow is supposedly able to see a lot of products prior to debut. Agreed on both thoughts.

Couldn agree more. The 2.7 EB worked brilliantly up against the 3.0 diesel opposition from Jeep, so popular with Ford buyers choosing it and getting a more efficient little engine. The 3.0 is just a natural progression now that the 3.5 EB has grown in power. Ford is definitely leaving the base competition behind. The one place I would change is with Mustang, offer the 3.0 EB V6 as a throw back to the Early Euro Ford Capri, team it with PHEV to get it across tighter Euro/Aussie fuel economy and emissions regs, could be the path forward in those markets more than the 2.3.

I view it more that Borg does have some sort of sources, but isn't always right, and/or often has outdated information. But he's right just enough that we have to give credibility to his info until we have additional data points that either confirm or dispute what he's said. The "issue" is he thinks he's the be-all-end-all for leaked Ford info and that everything he posts is right, no questions asked.....then throws a tantrum when he's wrong and called out for it. I personally enjoy seeing what info he does have, as it adds to the discussion of things, even if it's not 100% correct. ---- I wonder if that supposed Mustang Raptor is actually that offroad supercar thing and is being handled by a smaller team/not a "regular" product?

You are dreaming for a PHEV? 😮😮😮 Who are you and what have you done with our @sherminator???

That goes without saying when you're towing heavy loads. I wouldn't tow 8k lbs. with my Super Duty if the trailer didn't have brakes.

that’s stupid. Stick to a set of trim levels

very interesting details! I dunno, while the blurb did say “something first shown to dealers in 2024”, it didn’t necessarily say it was exactly the same. It could mean the general concept of it? the hybrid V8 also lines up with that survey about Bronco with a hybrid V8. Not saying it’ll get it but there’s at least another data point of quasi-confirmation they’re looking at one. Sounds like it’ll have a similar boxy look but be a non-Bronco product.

I believe Google Gemini is misquoting the Tesla user guide which says you should charge it to 100% **at least** once per week.

Yup, I just feel like they're hinting at something, otherwise why bother with that specific pattern? Maybe!