jasonj80 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 The Euro Focus also gets a minor facelift this fall as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 they also do not know of the great 5door Civic sold in Europe, the new Corolla sold in Europe, the better Golf sold in Europe or MANY other models that OTHER automakers keep away from US shoppers.. but it is Ford who gets the slack .. Igor slack or flack? I don't see Ford ever getting any slack around here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I'll save judgement as well till I see one in person. But so far in pictures, the 08 looks Fugly. Just the front though. Interior is quite nice (not sure about texture/materials/quality), and the rear looks fine. But I feel like the "front fascia" committee was different than the other committees The Euro C1 Focus looks more elegant in the above pic, while the 08 US Focus looks a bit bolder, but I wouldn't say attractive in that sentence either. Hopefully it'll be well received.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I'll save judgement as well till I see one in person. But so far in pictures, the 08 looks Fugly. Just the front though. Interior is quite nice (not sure about texture/materials/quality), and the rear looks fine. But I feel like the "front fascia" committee was different than the other committees The Euro C1 Focus looks more elegant in the above pic, while the 08 US Focus looks a bit bolder, but I wouldn't say attractive in that sentence either. Hopefully it'll be well received.... No matter what, I just hope the little Focus powers on with sales in the USA. It sounds like its GM and Chrysler competitors aren't as well received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Euro C1 Focus 2008 US C170 Focus They both look pretty ugly to me... Enjoy which ever car you have now. Hopefully C2 in the future will be the harmoniser that has all problems ironed out and is cheap to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I often wonder how the public would have received the C1 and MKIII Mondeo if it were sold here. Neither car one of them are ugly, but they don't jump out at ya either (save the special variants i.e. ST/RS versions). What I did notice is that the greenhouses on the upcoming 08 Focus (US version) in comparison to the current Euro verision are very similar. Even after the botched refresh in 05, the Focus still performs things in such a manner that the Cobalt and Caliber are not capable of. GM launched an all new vehicle with a sporty torsion beam suspension and Chrysler replaced a sedan with a vehicle available as a wagon only (not to mention everything else wrong with it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Oh the C1 has been well received...Supposedly Mazda is AT capacity with the 3, and transaction prices are higher than that of the Focus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Yeah, I'm failing to see what the griping is about anymore. Most of the Focuses sold in Europe look more like this: :boring: :boring: :boring: Than this: The basic C1 Focus design REALLY isn't all that exciting when it comes down to it. Ever drove one? Most Focus seen in Europe look like this http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7619/mijnfocus2020bm0.jpg http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3959/mijnfocus2017nr4.jpg http://www.fordrousseau.be/images/francorchamps/P1010005.JPG http://img4.auto24.ee/auto24/560/711/7526711.jpg No none of these models in the photos are ST Seeing a sedan is very rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I don't want to say it, but is there any "fire sale" for the previous-gen Focus going on ? I mean, they did a fire sale of the 500 and Montego, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 I'd take anything said or posted on the Internet with a serious grain of salt...talk is cheap..and the Internet just gives fair opportunity for everyone to be a jackass. Everyone bashed the Escape here and it had its best selling month ever just recently.... Lets see what the Focus does when it comes out and what it looks like in person at normal angles...the Interior is good IMO, but I'm still up in the air at how good it the exterior looks..plus from what I hear, the car looks great with some of the upcoming aftermarket sets for it, if you hate it that much I have seen the new Focus on the street..two to be exact with ice blue exterior color and both were top of the line models. They looked great from many angles. IMO, they are more eye catching than present Focus which is rather conservative in sedan form. Looking at it straight on from the side, it is too Japanese looking for my tastes, but from angle front and rear it looks very nice IMO. I don't care for the front fender vents, but with two creases coming down side of vehicle the chrome vents do keep the lines flowing. I notice that Hyundai does same with its sport coupe. I think the new Focus will sell well and better than present Focus. The lack of wagon and hatchback will hurt sales, but overall I think Focus will still do better. The new Focus has more dramatic styling, looks all new even though it isn't like Escape, has much better interior with more features like standard side air bags and sync, gets very decent gas mileage, great handling, smooth ride, very comfortable vehicle for being so small, and ready supply of present Focus owners. The key will be price, and if Ford can price this Focus even more competitively incentives should end up being less over life of vehicle. I think Ford has winner here and should keep Wayne working overtime like Escape keeps Kansas City working hard. Good luck to Ford on this vehicle as it looks very nice on road, especially in ice blue. It looks very much like baby Fusion on road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted July 16, 2007 Share Posted July 16, 2007 Not to mention that the 08 will be lighter and more powerful (at least without CA emissions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Sorry JASON l made a mistake with the Peugeot 207 figures it was not 70 MPG it should of been 74.3 MPG. Here is the model below, 308 will be big on MPG like you say. 307 is going to be discontinued l think, l just wish these cars were Fords l would be down the Ford dealers tomorrow and buy one the styling is superb as well. All we have is a boring bland Focus with low MPG. Scroll down the page as its blank at the top it gives details on the 74.3 MPG Peugeot 207 Diesel http://motoring.virgin.net/comparison.html?serialno=25277 Actually the 307 today has poor economy than the Focus does focus TDCi 1.6 Urban 45.6 mpg Extra Urban 70.6 mpg Combined 58.9 mpg 307 45.6 65.7 mpg 57.6 mpg plus you moron they use the same engines. a PSA/Ford JV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navlys32 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I often wonder how the public would have received the C1 and MKIII Mondeo if it were sold here. Neither car one of them are ugly, but they don't jump out at ya either (save the special variants i.e. ST/RS versions). I'm guessing very soon we will see how the american public perceives the C1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Euro C1 Focus 2008 US C170 Focus They both look pretty ugly to me... I like the C1 look even if it's on the bland side. I said my peace on the ford autoshow site. IMHO, I like the 05-07 Focus more then the 08. That been said, I think the interior will get more buyers. I feel the incentives on the 07's are a contributing factor as well as after the 13 recalls, there is a loyal Foci fanbase and the 05-07 have had little or no issues thus far. Frankly, I feel the 08 looks like a Escort with a Saturn front. I am not in the market for that so maybe I can score a black ZX3 off my Dad's lot. I read the press overview of the 2008 and the D20 is rated at 140hp over 136. Just numbers I know, yet interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Ci doesnt look like that anymore. And why can't the know it alls get over the it? What has been proven with sales rising is that the Focus name has equity, the car is still competitive, and the idea from the big mouths that "Ford should drop the name' is BS. Cobalt, G5, and Caliber are old time Detroit compact cars with cheap interiors and trim, '07 "old" Focus is still current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) You have rarely said anything positive about a ford product...you should go find 5 posts and link them her where you have given a completely positive review of a ford product....I think it might take you a while. See, this is why you're a troll, instead of posting about the topic or discussing Ford's, you're wasting people's time discussing what people are saying, making them the topic, this is Blue Oval News, not "talk about everyone who criticize's a Ford". If you don't like it, you can get lost, noobs like you wouldn't have lasted one day here 6-7 years ago when it was really rough. I've driven nothing but Ford's my whole life, know more about them than you could ever dream, and have probably made Ford a million in sales through my pressuring of everyone I've ever come in contact with to buy Ford, I won't waste one more precious second of my life trying to prove anything to you. So like I said, get on topic, or STFU. Understand? Edited July 17, 2007 by Blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Formerly great cars like the Focus? WTF are you talking about? How is 13 recalls something great? I won't even share my experience I had with my Focus, all it proved to me is why People don't buy Fords to start with and if I didn't have a good experience with Ford prior to that Focus, I wouldn't have either. And there YOU go bashing Ford! :rolleyes: How soon you forget that that was only the American Focus, that the Euro Focus was the most reliable and one of the safest cars EVER in Europe. How soon you forget there was a time where it won more automotive awards than any other car. How soon you forget that after the 00-01 model years the Focus was not plagued with problems since they decided to fix them. How soon you forget other Fords of that time weren't that great either. If you think the Focus isn't a great car, then that just proves you know little about them, and there's not much I could do to persuade you otherwise. Maybe if you take the blinders off for a bit, you can see past your rage you have for Ford products... Pot meet kettle... Talk about someone with blinders on, the good year Foci "sucked", the 08 pos is "great", and the Euro Focus "sucks"... :rolleyes: people like you are far too hung up on comparing Ford Number X with Competitors Number Y, then automatically discount the Ford product Without even driving it and consider it a failure. Name one, you have no clue what Ford products I have or haven't driven, and due to circumstance, I've been able to drive every new Ford for long distances since about 1998, so you're assumption is rubbish. Something might be mediocre in your eyes or other nick-pickers, but when it comes to selling cars, its much more then HP ratings or styling when it boils down to it. Usually it's styling, and the 08 Focus has been trashed by EVERYBODY, and you know this. There are plenty of examples out there of "Great" cars that never are sales successes (Aura is coming into mind)..what it boils down to is how much profit Ford makes off those cars being sold, which adversely affected by other things not directly attributed to its current market share. If the F-150 just outright sucked, and sales went into the gutter, would you approve of Ford working hard to make it great again? Edited July 17, 2007 by Blueblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Well, since you don't like it there's absolutely no way anyone else is going to like either right? What a fucking ego trip you're on.... Get this, NOBODY likes it!! Not even on any of the Focus forums, and rightfully so, it looks like a dozen different people designed the thing, there is nothing cohesive or sleek about it. And unlike the cheerleaders here, I've actually seen it in the flesh, it's scary looking. But do continue sipping the Ford Kool-Aid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblood Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Here's a picturee of a C1 Focus sedan Here's the thing we get, and it's our high end coupe as well, not the mundane hub capped sedan. Any questions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Actually the 307 today has poor economy than the Focus does focus TDCi 1.6 Urban 45.6 mpg Extra Urban 70.6 mpg Combined 58.9 mpg 307 45.6 65.7 mpg 57.6 mpg plus you moron they use the same engines. a PSA/Ford JV. If had you read all the postings here, you would have read post 12 it has no mention of a 307. In this post l mentioned the Europe’s best selling car the Peugeot 207 does 74.3, In post 14 Jason got a bit mixed up with the 307 & 308 which was nothing to do with my post. Just had a look at all Focus TDCi nothing comes close to your figures. They both use the same bomb proof Peugeot engine that just lasts forever. PEUGEOT 207 74.3 MPG $23710 http://motoring.virgin.net/comparison.html?serialno=25277 FORD FOCUS 1.6 TDI 70.6 MPG $32613 http://newcars.virginmedia.com/search_comp...p;x=48&y=11 Edited July 17, 2007 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) anyone claiming a car to be a definite failure before its launch is a dimwit ... obviously most of the online community was completely wrong about the Escape .. and I see no reason why Focus should be any different. The same way anyone claiming a car will be runaway success before it goes on sale is also a dimwit ... the Aura proves it. Let's let Ford start selling the thing before we write it off .. .at this point anyone's opinion is just that - an opinion/ Hi IGOR, Why then are folk in the UK who put a deposit on thier NEW to the market Ford Focus CC Convertables 7 months ago still still waiting for delivery? Some of these customers are saying they will never buy a Ford again, it is not good customer practice to keep the customer waiting for more than a couple of weeks not 7 months, its not a supply problem 1,000s have been parked up at Dagenham a year ago and not moved to the dealers Why? If this is not a failure then before launch l dont no what is? l have heard of drive in movies, but a drive in bath thats a new concept? Edited July 17, 2007 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wescoent Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Here's a picturee of a C1 Focus sedan Here's the thing we get, and it's our high end coupe as well, not the mundane hub capped sedan. Any questions?? I like the North American model a lot better. It's distinctive and modern, where the European model blends into the background very quickly on our streets. I still don't think our Focus is better looking than the new Lancer, but it's a very close second in my book. Since the base price of our Focus is going to be so low, I can load it up with electronic goodies, throw on some Steeda performance parts, dress up the exterior a bit, and STILL end up getting a car just as good as the Honda Civic for less. And if I want to keep the Focus's great fuel economy, I'll spend the savings from performance parts on a great sound system. If you don't like our new Focus, good for you. Ford's not going to be able to keep them on the lots anyway, so that'll be one more Focus for someone who actually wants a fun to drive affordable and well equipped compact car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 How soon you forget that that was only the American Focus, that the Euro Focus was the most reliable and one of the safest cars EVER in Europe. How soon you forget there was a time where it won more automotive awards than any other car. How soon you forget that after the 00-01 model years the Focus was not plagued with problems since they decided to fix them. How soon you forget other Fords of that time weren't that great either. Why should I care what the European Focus has won? I can't buy one here...all we got was a poorly brought over cheapened copy with 13 recalls and less then stellar reliability the first 4 years it was built. The SVT came out as an 02 Model and still had the same issues with the DSI cables and what not till its production ended. If you think the Focus isn't a great car, then that just proves you know little about them, and there's not much I could do to persuade you otherwise. The Focus isn't a great car, its just a nice car in its American form and even thats a stretch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) Get this, NOBODY likes it!! Not even on any of the Focus forums, and rightfully so, it looks like a dozen different people designed the thing, there is nothing cohesive or sleek about it. And unlike the cheerleaders here, I've actually seen it in the flesh, it's scary looking. But do continue sipping the Ford Kool-Aid... Again, you are so fucking egotistical that you think anyone who disagrees with you is sipping Ford kool-aid? You're no different than the cheerleaders that you despise so much. The only difference between you and them is that you're on the other end of the spectrum. As for the Focus, I actually wait until the sales number come in before I say things are a failure. As for the Focus forums, they're a vary minute segment of the buying public and they aren't the arbitors of succes or failure any more than you. Edited July 17, 2007 by TomServo92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Reynolds Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I'm guessing very soon we will see how the american public perceives the C1 No, no, no. I was speaking of the Focus specifically. We already have the C1 chassis here as the S40/V50, Mazda 3 and C70. Hmmm, call me crazy but the front end of the NA version looks a lot more fresh......the everywhere else version wears the MKIII Mondeo front end and it's starting to look a little tired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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