theoldwizard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Stop! I didn't say I wanted to remember! I do remember one thing...the square root of -1. Cue the Temptations, "... just my imagination ..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGallun Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 i dont beleive or put much into these epa ratings, for a baseline ya.. but thats it.. they say my 3.0 Fusion SEL FWD should get 26mpg highway... when, well after 3 years and 54k it gets 29mpg at 70mph .. go figure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) i dont beleive or put much into these epa ratings, for a baseline ya.. but thats it.. they say my 3.0 Fusion SEL FWD should get 26mpg highway... when, well after 3 years and 54k it gets 29mpg at 70mph .. go figure.. Probably the way they test the cars: How the EPA tests fuel economyLINK Edited March 18, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 i dont beleive or put much into these epa ratings, for a baseline ya.. but thats it.. they say my 3.0 Fusion SEL FWD should get 26mpg highway... when, well after 3 years and 54k it gets 29mpg at 70mph .. go figure.. Exactly. EPA ratings aren't necessarily meant to be real world. They are primarily for comparative purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Critic Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 29 is blowing sunshine up peoples asses. That's a good one, and on a calm warm sunshiny day it even sounds nice, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 i've been saying for months ford needs eco boost in the stang and across all model lines where applicable..right now camero is kicking mustangs ass and ford needs to get off there ass and get eco boost at least as an option...if i was concerned with MPG i would seriously look at the v6 camero over the mustang...thankfully i am not but many would be buyers are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 ...right now camero is kicking mustangs ass... Interesting...didn't realize you could buy a Camaro yet... :shades: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkapeGote Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Sup, The Camaro is not kicking the Mustangs ass. Last I heard it had a estimated 0-60 of 4.7 seconds, the mustang I have seen as low as 5.0 even some 4.9's. How is this kicking the Mustangs ass?. As for the comment about the SRA being crude, that is not really true. The condition you are talking about is called bump steer. This mostly eliminated with a pan hard bar, and almost completely eliminated with a watts link. Straight rear axles do what people who buy Mustangs want them too do. I have never heard of someone buying a Mustang and then complaining about how it does not have world class handling. IRS's are okay, buy they are heavier, more expensive, are lackluster at a dead stop launch, fail more frequently, I could go on. That being said, the ride is nicer in a IRS for sure, that I agree with. What you seem to want is a sports car, the Mustang is a Muscle car. It may not have the cornering finesse of say a Mazda Miata, but it is the kind of car that will piss in the Miata's gas tank when it passes it on the straightaways. The Mustang is fine for now. If the 5.0 comes out in 2011, great I will be the first to buy one. As for the 3.5l EcoBoost, I don't know. It seems very Un-Mustangy to me. I am not a turbo fan, I can do a Super charger, but even then it feels better to have NA power, and a lot less to go wrong. I ordered a new SHO, which will be my second turbo vehicle I just hope it is better than my first experience. If the SHO is great, I will change my mind about the Mustang with a turbo 3.5l, but not before. Skape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxcomet Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Bump steer is NOT related to a solid rear axle. It's a condition related to the front suspension: "Bump steer is the toe-in or toe-out of the front wheels as the suspension goes from normal ride height through full bump (suspension system moves up) to full droop (suspension system moves down). " Jeez, get it right people!! Edited March 18, 2009 by fxcomet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) IRS's are okay, buy they are heavier, more expensive, are lackluster at a dead stop launch, fail more frequently, I could go on. That being said, the ride is nicer in a IRS for sure, that I agree with. What you seem to want is a sports car, the Mustang is a Muscle car. It may not have the cornering finesse of say a Mazda Miata, but it is the kind of car that will piss in the Miata's gas tank when it passes it on the straightaways. Scape, The Falcon's Control Blade IRS is almost the same weight as an SRA but unlike most other IRS rear ends you've probably driven, handling/road holding can be tuned separately to ride quality. A well tuned SRA is also a joy to drive, the 3-Link system is OK but there is a better SRA rear end and perhaps a good Watts link rear end is all that's needed so that the roll center becomes tunable. I'm pretty sure Ford constantly weighs feed back from Mustang owners on the suitability of the SRA, perhaps an IRS option will be available in a future model but for now the SRA will do fine. PS, the condition you described as "Bump Steer" is actually more like "Roll Steer". Edited March 18, 2009 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Rear axle deflection (to the left or right) over bumps is also related to the angle of the locating members. true trailing arms and links as opposed to the semi-trailing links in panthers and fox bodies (all of 'em) don't pull the axle sideways when it moves vertically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I should do that...do the cheats still work? Sure do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerM Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Stop! I didn't say I wanted to remember! I do remember one thing...the square root of -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 :rolleyes: math humor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 im so bringing this to math final tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevys Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Say what you will but Im impressed with 29mpg on the camaro. Good job GM. Ford cant get the 3.5/5.0 out fast enough. I like the camaro but have had nightmares with the interior. Somebody was on crack when they designed that. Good God its terrible. How about a v6 Maro for a daily driver to beat on? Its crossed my mind. As much as Ford has done of late they lag behind badly in this segment. The 4.0 is a boat anchor and everybody knows it. Its deadly reliable but man its way past its time in a car like the Mustang. F Body Father Scott Settlemier has also has some bad things to say about the stang in general. They have the upper hand for the moment and I expect Mustang sales to tank this year due to the economy and the new high hp competition but we will be back. F bod Father is not heard the last from me if Ford can come through. Im sick of his arrogance and when the day comes Im going to throw it back in his face. The camaro to me is already 3 years old to me. How long it will last is anybodies guess. Get them while there hot and pay market adjustments. Let me just add this. Any asshats with a 306hp camaro that think they can take my 305 hp stand can line up at will. Im going to blow the doors off of any fool that tries and make them like it. You cant post this on the Gm forums but I will here. Im sitting on ready for the idiots. The LS3 is another story and at least I can ackowledge that. Im realistic. Bring those v6 Maros on boys. Edited March 19, 2009 by chevys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKII Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I dunno, but at the rate GM is going with Camaro, the new powertrains will be in the Mustang by the time Camaro comes out. pics of rows upon rows of new Camaros in the lot of GM’s plant in Oshawa, Ontario. http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/03/09/here-...n=hp-exclusives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 im so bringing this to math final tomorrow! Ahhh...the good ole days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 pics of rows upon rows of new Camaros in the lot of GM’s plant in Oshawa, Ontario. http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/03/09/here-...n=hp-exclusives Motor Authority is claiming that GM has 14,000 pre-ordered Camaros - LINK I wonder whether that'ss spread over several months or maybe this year's total production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnostic Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 pics of rows upon rows of new Camaros in the lot of GM’s plant in Oshawa, Ontario. http://blog.cardomain.com/2009/03/09/here-...n=hp-exclusives I grew a Mullet just looking at that many Camaros. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I grew a Mullet just looking at that many Camaros. LOL Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I grew a Mullet just looking at that many Camaros. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 I grew a Mullet just looking at that many Camaros. :o Did you move too? (see attachment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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