SkapeGote Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Sup, The Mustang is everything but crude. You dream about IRS being all fancy and wonderful, but the fact of the matter is with engineering put into that live axle, it handles better that a lot of IRS setups. The new Challenger has an IRS, and yet the Mustang out handles it. The Genesis has an IRS and the 'Stang out handles it as well. I have a T-Bird SC a few years ago, it's IRS would not out handle the Mustang. As for letting the customer decide, Ford ask and polled thousands of Mustang owners when they redesigned the Mustang for 2005, people didn't want the IRS. I would like to see it as an option, but until the majority of Mustang owners want it, you won't see it. The Mustang is a muscle car. It is not meant to directly compete with the Genesis or any of these imports. It is meant to compete against other Muscle Cars. It whoops the Challenger already, and is competing against an imaginary Camaro at this point. As for the the 3.5l being in the mustang, where does it makes it's torque?. I do not believe we have seen the 3.5l in a RWD setup yet, have we?. So maybe they are not there with it yet. Also, Ecoboost will come, Ford is just being careful. Factory Boosted engines need more time for reliabilty testing, last this you want is to be paying warrenty repairs on a turbo because you choose one with shitty bearings. Skape Edited March 17, 2009 by SkapeGote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 One advantage of the 4.0L Cologne vs the old 3.8/3.9 Essex. 99-04 0-60, 7.2 seconds. 05+, 0-60 6.5 seconds (both with manuals). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlover Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 From what we've been reading bwtween the lines... Yes.expect... 3.5L V6, 3.5L Ecoboost, 5.0L V8, & SC 5.4L or NA 6.2L for the Cobras. When will we actually get the 2011 car with the new powertrains? spring 2010? fall 2010? Tomorrow afternoon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 When will we actually get the 2011 car with the new powertrains? spring 2010? fall 2010? Tomorrow afternoon? I dunno, but at the rate GM is going with Camaro, the new powertrains will be in the Mustang by the time Camaro comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I dunno, but at the rate GM is going with Camaro, the new powertrains will be in the Mustang by the time Camaro comes out. I was going to say the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battyr Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 One advantage of the 4.0L Cologne vs the old 3.8/3.9 Essex. 99-04 0-60, 7.2 seconds. 05+, 0-60 6.5 seconds (both with manuals). Should be using the Australian I-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I dunno, but at the rate GM is going with Camaro, the new powertrains will be in the Mustang by the time Camaro comes out. NEWSFLASH!.....the Camaro is getting a REFRESH before its release...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 A new IP would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 A new IP would be nice. I think the interior needs more than just a new IP. Actually, unless they won the lawsuit against that supplier, they might have to redo the whole thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomServo92 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think the interior needs more than just a new IP.Actually, unless they won the lawsuit against that supplier, they might have to redo the whole thing! What? You don't like gauges WAY out of your line of sight and controls designed by Nintendo??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 What? You don't like gauges WAY out of your line of sight and controls designed by Nintendo??? Only if ((up up down down left left right right a b a b select start)) makes it transform into Bumblebee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Only if ((up up down down left left right right a b a b select start)) makes it transform into Bumblebee. Actually, it's ((up up down down left right left right b a select start)) I loved Contra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Actually, it's ((up up down down left right left right b a select start)) I loved Contra! I bought that game for my Wii! :happy feet: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Actually, it's ((up up down down left right left right b a select start)) I loved Contra! D'oh! And I have an NES... and Contra... and I still effed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I bought that game for my Wii! :happy feet: I should do that...do the cheats still work? Sad thing is, I remembered that from 20+ years ago, but I can't remember any calculus from 10 years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) I should do that...do the cheats still work? Sad thing is, I remembered that from 20+ years ago, but I can't remember any calculus from 10 years ago! The solution to an integral is its anti-derivative. There. That's all you need to know. That and pattern matching for symbolic solutions of integrals is about as much fun as using your head as jackhammer. Edited March 18, 2009 by RichardJensen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 That and pattern matching for symbolic solutions of integrals is about as much fun as using your head as jackhammer. Yes, but, all of the "interesting" integral have been solved ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) ...Ford pretty much had no choice but the 4.0L SOHC when they redesigned the Mustang in 2005 because it was the most modern V6 they had at the time ... Actually, due to German work rules, they needed a "home" for an engine that should have been retired a long time ago. Ford recently had to make some kind of a "deal" with the German government and the German auto workers union to "replace" the 4.0L with something else when it does finally die in the next year or so. You thought the UAW was tough to bargain with. The German government backs the unions on plant closing. I guess that they are really interested in keeping jobs inside of their country. P.S. Not only will the 3.5L base engine get better fuel economy, I'll bet it is lighter and cheaper to manufacture ! Edited March 18, 2009 by theoldwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waymondospiff Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The Mustang is everything but crude. You dream about IRS being all fancy and wonderful, but the fact of the matter is with engineering put into that live axle, it handles better that a lot of IRS setups. The new Challenger has an IRS, and yet the Mustang out handles it. The Genesis has an IRS and the 'Stang out handles it as well. I have a T-Bird SC a few years ago, it's IRS would not out handle the Mustang. I agree that the Mustang can out handle some of its competitors. However, it is still crude. When I'm driving around a corner and hit a bump my car continues on its path. In a Mustang the back end will step out. That is crude. The Mustang's SRA is effective, but it is crude. The Mustang is in need of new engines and it appears that it will be getting them soon. Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Anyone else amazed that the SS only gets 4.7 0-60 time with all that power and the 2010 GT can do it in 4.9 with only 315Hp? I think its game over come next year with the 5.0 L Coyote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I agree that the Mustang can out handle some of its competitors. However, it is still crude. When I'm driving around a corner and hit a bump my car continues on its path. In a Mustang the back end will step out. That is crude. Is this personal experience or sheer speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98GMLS Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I realy doubt in the real word this car will get 29 MPG. Wiht a 2.2 Four, maybe yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The solution to an integral is its anti-derivative. There. That's all you need to know. That and pattern matching for symbolic solutions of integrals is about as much fun as using your head as jackhammer. Stop! I didn't say I wanted to remember! I do remember one thing...the square root of -1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGallun Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 la la la... checked a few car sites.. iam seeing 26mpg.. i would figure thats the real number, 29 is blowing sunshine up peoples asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I realy doubt in the real word this car will get 29 MPG. Wiht a 2.2 Four, maybe yes. What's so hard to believe? The 2009 Taurus is rated at 18/28 mpg and I'd expect drivers often achieve that on cruise at 60 mph. Heck, my 4,000 lb 4.0 Falcon pick up with 5 speed auto regularly achieves US26 mpg cruising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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