NickF1011 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Don't forget Fusion will be built at AAI in addition to Hermosillo. Eventually. Probably. I don't believe Ford has actually confirmed that yet. It definitely won't be there when production starts at Hermosillo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickF1011 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 SHO is just a Taurus trim level. If it was the "Ford SHO", I would agree with you. And Boss and GT500 are just trim levels on the Mustang. Should they use those names on other vehicles? SHO has always been uniquely Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 So do SVT Cobra owners get upset when they see SVT Raptors and SVT Lightnings and SVT Focii? Well, Lightning and Cobra debuted during the same year, so no conflict can be had there. The rest of your argument is splitting unnecessary (and irrelevant) hairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 So do SVT Cobra owners get upset when they see SVT Raptors and SVT Lightnings and SVT Focii? SVT is a group that builds specialty vehicles. SHO is a model designation specific to Taurus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Eventually. Probably. I don't believe Ford has actually confirmed that yet. It definitely won't be there when production starts at Hermosillo. He didn't say when, LOL. They've been on the record saying that is "the plan", and it was written into the UAW agreement. All that paired with Mazda6 production winding down at the end of this year and I would be surprised if it didn't happen in the next 2 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Any word on price and when it will be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Any word on price and when it will be available? No pricing released yet (I'm guessing mid-$40's), and it's a 2013, likely Job2 addition. Late summer / early fall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 No pricing released yet (I'm guessing mid-$40's), and it's a 2013, likely Job2 addition. Late summer / early fall? That makes sense. I wonder if I could find me a dealer to order me one under the X Plan? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 They've been on the record saying that is "the plan", and it was written into the UAW agreement. All that paired with Mazda6 production winding down at the end of this year and I would be surprised if it didn't happen in the next 2 years or so. I'd hope they'd have AAI up and running by next summer...at the latest if the 6 moves out by the end of this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 That makes sense. I wonder if I could find me a dealer to order me one under the X Plan? They aren't a limited production model, so I don't see why they wouldn't! :happy feet: Mrs. PREMiERdrum was already set on having a new Explorer in the next year or two (when it's time to move past the Escape), and this might just be the one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 They aren't a limited production model, so I don't see why they wouldn't! :happy feet: Mrs. PREMiERdrum was already set on having a new Explorer in the next year or two (when it's time to move past the Escape), and this might just be the one. When the Flex was officially introduced, I told my wife "there's your next vehicle". She said "nope, it's ugly!" Well, we got an early Flex in the Fall of '08. Last night I shoed her the pics of the Explorer Sport and said "there's your next vehicle." The worst she could say was "I don't like the wheels!" So, looks like we may be getting an Explorer Sport...in about Fall '16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision street wear 2 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Q&A on the New Addition of the Explorer Sport Mar-29-2012 1:50 PM ET DEARBORN - The Explorer lineup grows in 2013 with the addition of Explorer Sport bringing more power, unsurpassed fuel-economy and sport enhanced capability to the Explorer family. Below is a Q&A about the new model including, design changes on the exterior and interior and additional enhancements that will improve ride and handling. Q. How have customers responded to the Explorer? A. Ford sold 135,704 Explorers in 2011, a 124 percent year-over-year increase, through February 2012, Explorer sales totaled 20,406 totaled, a 20 percent increase this year. We've seen that nearly 40 percent of Explorer customers are choosing the Limited model and Explorer is conquesting at a rate of 50 percent with about 13 percent of sales coming from luxury customers. Q. What is different between the Explorer Sport and the Explorer? A. Explorer Sport receives the 3.5-liter EcoBoost i-VCT V-6 engine as well as calibrations and component upgrades to accommodate additional power and improved driving dynamics. It also features a new look on the exterior and the interior. Q. What design changes have you made? A. The look and feel of Explorer Sport is premium and sporty. We have a new leather interior with contrast stitching and sport specific detail touches. New sport specific floor mats, and darkened tail and headlamps. Overall the Sport-specific interior inspired by designer accessory fashion and sporty exterior design cues interior give customers a total package of sport and luxury. But the improvements we made in design are also matched by how well performance has been enhanced. The 3.5L EcoBoost engine provides 350 hp and torque with improved cornering and more than a two second improvement in 0-60 time than the 3.5L Ti-VCT V-6 engine. Q. What technologies are coming on Explorer Sport? A. The Explorer Sport comes with a lot of new additions standard, including: 3.5L EcoBoost engine mated to a 6-speed SelectShift automatic transmission with paddle shifters, SONY Audio system with HD radio, Terrain Management System, front-passenger knee airbag and more. In addition, Explorer Sport is the first Explorer to get a solid mount Electronic Power Assisted Steering (EPAS) steering rack. EPAS has its own unique steering ratio that is sport specific, enabling more secure steering that is tighter and more responsive. Q. What is the fuel economy on Explorer Sport? A. Explorer Sport delivers projected fuel economy of 16 mpg city and 22 mpg highway, making it the most fuel-efficient gasoline powered 7-passenger high-performance sport utility vehicle Q. Why does the 3.5L EcoBoost provide less horsepower and torque on Explorer Sport then Taurus SHO or Flex EcoBoost, which are mated with the same engine? A. The manifold, exhaust, turbo tuning and under hood space had to accommodate the 4WD system in Explorer. Also, the exhaust system needed to be re-routed to accommodate 4WD when traveling off-road, induced by higher ground clearance. Q. Will the 3.5-liter EcoBoost be available across the lineup? A. No. The 3.5L EcoBoost is a unique offering for Explorer Sport. We believe we have the right mix of engine offerings to meet the needs of our customers. The 2.0-liter EcoBoost I-4 offers the blend of capability and fuel economy that Explorer customers will appreciate. The 290 hp 3.5-liter Ti-VCT V6 offers strong towing performance and best-in-segment fuel economy. Q. Why did you use an iVCT versus a Ti-VCT engine? A. The iVCT can deliver a faster 0-60 time and the additional performance that Explorer customers are looking for. Q. What is the towing capacity of the 3.5L Explorer Sport? A. The maximum towing capacity of Explorer Sport is 5,000 lbs. Also, this towing capacity and the fuel economy won't be diminished by adding a trailer tow package. Q. What is the pricing on Explorer Sport? When will it go on sale? A. It is too early to talk about pricing but Explorer Sport will be positioned above the Explorer Limited. It will go on sale in the fourth quarter of this year. Q: Does Ford need an Edge, a Flex and an Explorer? A: Absolutely. We’re a full-line automaker, and our plan includes a balanced portfolio for customers with a variety of vehicle needs. Comments (0) There are no comments on this article. Page 1 of 1 http://www.at.ford.com/news/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) When the Flex was officially introduced, I told my wife "there's your next vehicle". She said "nope, it's ugly!" Well, we got an early Flex in the Fall of '08. Last night I shoed her the pics of the Explorer Sport and said "there's your next vehicle." The worst she could say was "I don't like the wheels!" So, looks like we may be getting an Explorer Sport...in about Fall '16. by that time the 2500lb 450 hp triple turboed hybrid 2.0 GDI nano engine with the 10 speed auto and 1500 mile pure electric mode Plutonium model should be avail.... Edited March 29, 2012 by Deanh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT-Keith Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Shouldn't it tow more though? I know theoretically it can, but I was hoping for a 7000+ pound towing capacity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 Shouldn't it tow more though? I know theoretically it can, but I was hoping for a 7000+ pound towing capacity. Platform limitations. D3 is still primarily a FWD car platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 Speaking of "what-ifs..." What if Explorer were still on U251? Imagine the 3.5EB in that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 So I think we now know why the Explorer 3.5 EB was a little late to the party, it was non trivial to rejigger the chassis and drivetrain to support it. And it's coming later that I expected, Q4 2012 when most 2013 models are hitting in Q3. I sure hope we hear about that Lincoln version soon, this Explorer is here to stay awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPV GTHO Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 .... 3.5-liter EcoBoost i-VCT V-6.... ....The 3.5L EcoBoost engine provides 350 hp and torque with improved cornering and more than a two second improvement in 0-60 time than the 3.5L Ti-VCT V-6 engine... ...The 290 hp 3.5-liter Ti-VCT V6 offers strong towing performance and best-in-segment fuel economy.... ....Q. Why did you use an iVCT versus a Ti-VCT engine?... I really dont think whoever came up with the terminology on the engine tech has any idea of the meaning of independent. If Ti-VCT and i-VCT are both truly independent, i fail to see the relevance of highlighting the twin aspect of the former, if the latter is already phasing each cam relative to each other, hence the independent. Falcon has had VCT tech for 14 years. In 1998 on the SOHC engine there was only one phaser so theres no argument. 2002 they launced the twin cam motor and whilst each cam had a phaser, they didnt operate independent. 2005 they updated with a new ECU to independent cam phasing but have never marketed any twin aspect. Pretty simple in comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I really dont think whoever came up with the terminology on the engine tech has any idea of the meaning of independent. If Ti-VCT and i-VCT are both truly independent, i fail to see the relevance of highlighting the twin aspect of the former, if the latter is already phasing each cam relative to each other, hence the independent. Falcon has had VCT tech for 14 years. In 1998 on the SOHC engine there was only one phaser so theres no argument. 2002 they launced the twin cam motor and whilst each cam had a phaser, they didnt operate independent. 2005 they updated with a new ECU to independent cam phasing but have never marketed any twin aspect. Pretty simple in comparison. I'm calling smokescreen on that. It would appear (Pure speculation here) that Gen 1 EB 35 is for the D platform and Gen 1.5 (Ti-VCT) is going to F-series. Now, they have to say something to make it sound good to the public. Some research would reveal that Ti-VCT generally has improvements over i-VCT. Much like DI over MPI. However, it's a solid plant and perhaps it's better to 'spin' it as a good thing not as a 'That's all we got for now'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Tow what? 99% of SUV's only haul shopping bags, golf clubs, or kid car seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I really dont think whoever came up with the terminology on the engine tech has any idea of the meaning of independent. If Ti-VCT and i-VCT are both truly independent, i fail to see the relevance of highlighting the twin aspect of the former, if the latter is already phasing each cam relative to each other, hence the independent. Falcon has had VCT tech for 14 years. In 1998 on the SOHC engine there was only one phaser so theres no argument. 2002 they launced the twin cam motor and whilst each cam had a phaser, they didnt operate independent. 2005 they updated with a new ECU to independent cam phasing but have never marketed any twin aspect. Pretty simple in comparison. Due to the dual banks on V engines, you have Twin I-VCT but on Inline engines you have I-VCT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Due to the dual banks on V engines, you have Twin I-VCT but on Inline engines you have I-VCT And the VW W-12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8-X Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) funnily enough at first glance I thought Honda had come out with a better looking CRV........ I too thought that new Traverse was a Crosstour remake. But thats also like comparing a Mustang GT and a Shelby GT500.... Not to mention that the SRT8 starts at $60K and only gets 12/18 MPG...I'm sure the Sport will start at less then 50K and will come close to the SRT's highway mileage with its city MPG rating! Ok, so tell us for those people that typically purchase a GT500, SRT8, etc, how many are truly worried about mpgs???? crickets... Sure, getting power and MPG's is a great feature of the EB. But most people buying vehicles like the GC SRT8 are least concerned with mpgs and more so with the hp/ft-lb, 0-60 & 1/4 mile times. Or they bought it to floss, but still could care less about mpgs. Edited March 30, 2012 by V8-X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I too thought that new Traverse was a Crosstour remake. Ok, so tell us for those people that typically purchase a GT500, SRT8, etc, how many are truly worried about mpgs???? crickets... Sure, getting power and MPG's is a great feature of the EB. But most people buying vehicles like the GC SRT8 are least concerned with mpgs and more so with the hp/ft-lb, 0-60 & 1/4 mile times. Or they bought it to floss, but still could care less about mpgs. bet the Explorer Sport outsells the SRT8.................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Last night I shoed her the pics of the Explorer Sport and said "there's your next vehicle." If I told my wife "there's your next vehicle" she'd point to the couch and tell me "there's your new bed". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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