ANTAUS Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/22/ford-c-max-energi-will-have-20-mile-electric-range-get-95-mpge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/50271-just-ordered-2013-c-max/page__st__80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The range is rather paltry, but I guess that's to be expected from a first generation product. What the hell is with this MPGe shit? Anyone here ever received an electric bill in MPGe? How many kilowatts does it use per mile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) The range is rather paltry, but I guess that's to be expected from a first generation product. What the hell is with this MPGe shit? Anyone here ever received an electric bill in MPGe? How many kilowatts does it use per mile? I recon MPGe is a made up number because Volt gets 98 MPGe. Speaking of Volt, I think Ford C-Max Energi has just made it look a little less than fantastic. it looks a more versatile vehicle, especially if the pricce comes in around $25K. Edited July 23, 2012 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The regular C-Max (Hybrid) is around 25k. The Energi will likely be much more (Before rebate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The plug-in Prius is only rated for 10 miles of electric range. From what Ford has said so far, it should also be very close in gas MPG as well. As long as the C-Max is price competitive, it will make it hard for someone to choose a plug in Prius over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timf Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 MPGe is supposed to tell you how far you will get spending an equivalent amount on electricity as you would on a gallon of gasoline. This number is rather arbitrary as the actual price of electricity and gasoline is always fluctuating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkisler Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) MPGe is supposed to tell you how far you will get spending an equivalent amount on electricity as you would on a gallon of gasoline. This number is rather arbitrary as the actual price of electricity and gasoline is always fluctuating. Price has nothing to do with it. MPGe is an energy equivalent -- electricity vs. gasoline. See wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_per_gallon_gasoline_equivalent Of course this also could have been expressed in kilowats per mile (or kilometer), but in the U.S., consumers are more geared to mpg rather than liters/kilometer like, say, Europe. Edited July 23, 2012 by Austin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTaurus Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Owners have a solar system at home, that will be great .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The regular C-Max (Hybrid) is around 25k. The Energi will likely be much more (Before rebate). I agree. I hate to say it, but I suspect it will be in the $35-40,000 range, probably closer to 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timf Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Price has nothing to do with it. MPGe is an energy equivalent -- electricity vs. gasoline. See wiki: http://en.wikipedia....line_equivalent Of course this also could have been expressed in kilowats per mile (or kilometer), but in the U.S., consumers are more geared to mpg rather than liters/kilometer like, say, Europe. Thank you for clarifying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 It's the size of the battery pack. More range = more batteries = more weight = $$$$$. 20 seems to be a good compromise. I expect the same from the Fusion Energi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Anyone know how big the C-max's battery pack is in kWh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03 LS Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I agree. I hate to say it, but I suspect it will be in the $35-40,000 range, probably closer to 40. http://media.ford.co...rticle_id=36823 It came out lower than that, $33745, and qualifies for a $3750 Fed tax credit. So Ford is advertising the C-Max Energi starts at $29995. EDIT: Mod, can you change the title to "C-Max Energi Gets 20Mile Range, 95MPGe, Costs $33,745"? Thanks. Edited July 24, 2012 by 03 LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 http://media.ford.co...rticle_id=36823 It came out lower than that, $33745, and qualifies for a $3750 Fed tax credit. So Ford is advertising the C-Max starts at $29995. That price makes it more difficult to decide between the 2 versions, you do lose cargo space with the plug in version though. Also in some States that might even be lower if it qualifies for rebates that the states are offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 That price makes it more difficult to decide between the 2 versions, you do lose cargo space with the plug in version though. Also in some States that might even be lower if it qualifies for rebates that the states are offering. Yeah, I checked out the plug-in CMax at the NAIAS and the cargo shelf comes up quite a bit and would estimate you lose at least 30-40% of cargo space. Real high shelf. I would think that for most people the hybrid makes more sense...nice compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Any idea on a Job1 date for the Energi? Would make it easier to convince the wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Any idea on a Job1 date for the Energi? Would make it easier to convince the wife. 10/1/2012 from what i have, which is CONSTANTLY changing, witness the Focus ST high end models...LATE AVAILABILITY now... Edited July 24, 2012 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Are these being produced at MAP or are they being imported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 It is built at MAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 10/1/2012 from what i have, which is CONSTANTLY changing, witness the Focus ST high end models...LATE AVAILABILITY now... GOOD. Better to have flexibility on J1 than flexibility on quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 GOOD. Better to have flexibility on J1 than flexibility on quality. completely agree, flashbacks to when I was supposed to get my Fiesta, October, became December, becam January......got the car in March.Wasnt a big deal to me, annoying perhaps from a customers perspective, but I had nio issue knowing the reasoning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 GOOD. Better to have flexibility on J1 than flexibility on quality. in the STs case its onlt the ST model, and from what i can gather the HIDS have something to do with it...we had to cancel our ST and re-enter the midrange package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versa-Tech Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So it gets 2.9 miles per KWh (MPK?) Or .34KWh per mile. I could care less how I would rate it against my gas car in joules, I want to know how much it costs to drive. I would have to assume most americans feel the same. This just goes to show you how detached the epa is from reality. Normal people have to live in reality with real numbers that actually mean something. Just curious, what are you guys/gals electricity rates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 So it gets 2.9 miles per KWh (MPK?) Or .34KWh per mile. I could care less how I would rate it against my gas car in joules, I want to know how much it costs to drive. I would have to assume most americans feel the same. This just goes to show you how detached the epa is from reality. Normal people have to live in reality with real numbers that actually mean something. Just curious, what are you guys/gals electricity rates? I'll let you know when the grid cant handle all the plug ins and we suffer shortages and blackouts, and Electric companies have an excuse to raise rates.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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