Deanh Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Raptor based Expy would be my guess of at least one as the expedition has an upcoming overhaul...2 birds, one stone...perhaps sans the rear doors.. Edited January 13, 2016 by Deanh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I don't think the US or worldwide distinction is that meaningful. The only US-only vehicles in the Ford portfolio are F-series based and we know Ford ain't adding "new nameplate" on that platform (i.e. Expedition and Navigator are not "new nameplate" and Excursion is not coming back no matter how much some people want it). So 4 new SUVs makes must address the 4 segments that Ford is currently missing a viable competitor. And these are the 4 segments that Ford is currently missing in action: 1. B-segment - EcoSport is really A-segment so I suspect one of the new nameplate is a replacement for EcoSport outside India and South America. Something similar in size to Jeep Renegade, Chevy Trax, Honda HR-V, Mazda CX-3, Fiat 500X, Mini Countryman etc. around 4.2 meters. EcoSport will probably live on as A-segment (under 4 meters) SUV in India and South America. 2. C-segment short - Something based on the next generation Focus or C-Max hatchback. 3. Midsize 4x4 - Yes, Ford has Everest overseas, which is like a Toyota 4Runner or Prado competitor. But from what we've been lead to believe, Ford is thinking something more like a Wranger competitor so I think Bronco is going to be something different from Everest - same platform but different bodystyle and selling point (i.e. sort of like 4Runner and FJ Cruiser) 4. Luxury 7 seat SUV - Lincoln MKT is not really a viable entry in this segment and we all know it will be replaced by the "Lincoln Explorer". The US distinction was only relevant to the 4 new model names not currently existing in the U.S. Ecosport is B class, not A class. It's on the same global B platform as Fiesta and B-max. Why do you keep calling it A class? And is there really room between Ecosport and Escape? Also - your list of 4 leaves out Bronco which is all but confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) which begs the question...is the "Bronco" ranger based or F150 / Expedition based?..............hell, IMO bring BOTH to the table, re-ignite the Bronco AND the Bronco II Edited January 13, 2016 by Deanh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 The US distinction was only relevant to the 4 new model names not currently existing in the U.S. Ecosport is B class, not A class. It's on the same global B platform as Fiesta and B-max. Why do you keep calling it A class? And is there really room between Ecosport and Escape? Also - your list of 4 leaves out Bronco which is all but confirmed. Ecosport is nearly a foot shorter than typical B-segment SUV so it is A-segment by default. I'm not talking about which platform these cars are based on - I'm talking about the car vs. the competitors. Ford designed Ecosport to fit within the 4 meter requirement for the India market but that made it noncompetitive outside a handful of emerging markets. Hence I believe Ford will introduce something that is proper B-segment size for the more matured markets. I already explained that there is significant room below Escape but above the B-segment SUVs. It's doing about 500k units now but Hyundai/Kia just updated their entries and Jeep is doing that in 2016. Toyota and Nissan are entering next year too so it is going to blow up towards 1 million units in a few years. This is just in the US... Outside of our bubble, the lifted C-segment hatchback market happens to be one of the fastest growing auto segment worldwide. Bronco is #3 on my list. Not sure what you are inferring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I can see the Bronco as a Shortened Everest with new sheetmetal to make it look different...unless they are consolidating the Troller with it also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 which begs the question...is the "Bronco" ranger based or F150 / Expedition based?............. If it is going to be built at MAP, which seem to be the general consensus, probably Ranger-based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) I must find a sarcasm motif......... The Canyonero and smiley doesn't give it away, maybe I should have accentuated My post witt a reference to a MD based Excursion Edited January 13, 2016 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) I can see the Bronco as a Shortened Everest with new sheetmetal to make it look different...unless they are consolidating the Troller with it also. Not necessarily shortened... but I think it will be different vs. Everest. Everest and Bronco are fundamentally aimed at different market segments so a large degree of differentiation is probably required. Everest is 3 row mid size SUV with offroad hardware (i.e. it competes with vehicles like Toyota Prado or Mitsubishi Pajero Sport). This kind of SUV actually doesn't sell very well in the US at all so I don't think Ford will just bring the Everest here and call it Bronco. Ford will be trying to sell Bronco as a lifestyle vehicle so it will probably be a lot closer to Wrangler in concept than Toyota Prado. I'd also imagine that Ford will try to sell the Bronco outside the US... so chances are it will be quite different vs. Everest. I'm not saying Bronco will have Wrangler like styling... I'm saying Bronco will be more "bro". Edited January 14, 2016 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igor Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ecosport (new to NA), Bronco, Aviator, Everest? This is my guess. 2 ranger based SUV's one mainstream to chase TrailBlazer and Grand Cherokee and one more intense -- either a "Raptor" or a full on Wrangler 2 door. EcoSport (WIIC) and Aviator (VIIC) are a given. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/12/ford-adding-four-more-suvs-show-their-popularity/78704178/ There's also this: Lincoln already has a compact crossover with the MKC, a midsize crossover with the MKX and a full-size SUV with the Navigator. Adding an Explorer-sized, three-row crossover still leaves room to add a subcompact crossover, as well. Lincoln has stated that they do not plan to add vehicles cheaper than the MKZ / MKC .. so this seems unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Would that not essentially be a "Raptorized" Expedition? Why did you skip the "lop off 2-doors" part? 2-door heavy duty 4x4 = Bronco, not expedition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Not necessarily shortened... but I think it will be different vs. Everest. Everest and Bronco are fundamentally aimed at different market segments so a large degree of differentiation is probably required. Everest is 3 row mid size SUV with offroad hardware (i.e. it competes with vehicles like Toyota Prado or Mitsubishi Pajero Sport). This kind of SUV actually doesn't sell very well in the US at all so I don't think Ford will just bring the Everest here and call it Bronco. Ford will be trying to sell Bronco as a lifestyle vehicle so it will probably be a lot closer to Wrangler in concept than Toyota Prado. I'd also imagine that Ford will try to sell the Bronco outside the US... so chances are it will be quite different vs. Everest. I'm not saying Bronco will have Wrangler like styling... I'm saying Bronco will be more "bro". Oh God, please don't let my beloved Bronco turn into a "Bro truck" :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Oh God, please don't let my beloved Bronco turn into a "Bro truck" :'( It's been happening dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Why did you skip the "lop off 2-doors" part? 2-door heavy duty 4x4 = Bronco, not expedition That was never stated. I can't skip a comment that wasn't made. (Besides, I honestly don't think a 2 door full size SUV would be worth building) Edited January 14, 2016 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It's been happening dude Perhaps of this picture was taken in a parking lot... But all I see is a patriot and a 4x4 in its natural environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 The next ranger and Bronco will be FWD/AWD. If Ford convert MAP to BOF, sell all you ford Stock, because they have lost thier minds. OHAP would be a better Fit for a BOF truck than MAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I doubt that Biker...if they utilize the global Ranger chassis , which would be a mistake if they did not, then that blows your FWD theory out of the water... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) I doubt that Biker...if they utilize the global Ranger chassis , which would be a mistake if they did not, then that blows your FWD theory out of the water... We will see. I think alot of people here are going to be disappointed. Edited January 15, 2016 by Biker16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 There's already been some inquiries go out to suppliers regarding Ranger for North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edstock Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 The next ranger and Bronco will be FWD/AWD. I hope you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) I hope you are right. you realize that Jeep only has one BOF vehicle, almost all of Jeep's growth and volume is From unibody vehicles. Why not build the Ranger At KTP, using an upgraded Line 2 their to build the NAVI, EXPY, Ranger and BOF Bronco? Maintain MAP for the Dedicated HEV, Transit Connect and Lincoln MKC and Sedan. Edited January 19, 2016 by Biker16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Why not build the Ranger At KTP, using an upgraded Line 2 their to build the NAVI, EXPY, Ranger and BOF Bronco? Maintain MAP for the Dedicated HEV, Transit Connect and Lincoln MKC and Sedan. Because KTP wouldn't be able to handle another 200-250k units a year in the form of Ranger and Bronco sales? Having those C class products at MAP you speak about would be lucky to make 200k units a year, with the TC being the column leader. I don't see any Lincoln product breaking 50k plus units any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 We will see. I think alot of people here are going to be disappointed. If the new Bronco is FWD based, I will be very disappointed. It doesn't have to be BOF, but it needs to have a longitudinal engine with a real transfer case. I don't see the point of a FWD based, transverse engine Bronco, they already offer the Escape, Edge & Explorer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 my thoughts exactly NLP....and IMO I hope they use the global Ranger for the underpinnings of both...theres the RWD right there....Fords doing a great job lately with the Monty Python "And now for something COMPLETELY different..mentality ( Lincoln, RS, GT, GT350, Raptor )...why stop now....and the GRWD rumors STILL persist....wooohooo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker16 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Because KTP wouldn't be able to handle another 200-250k units a year in the form of Ranger and Bronco sales? Having those C class products at MAP you speak about would be lucky to make 200k units a year, with the TC being the column leader. I don't see any Lincoln product breaking 50k plus units any time soon. so you think they will sell 200,000 rangers and broncos? I am skeptical. A little background on KTP KTP is a 2 line plant, before the excursion was added in 1999 it produced the L series medium truck along side the SD on Line 2. Excursion peaked in it's 2nd year of production at 50,000 units, The expy/navi was added to Line 2. in 2010. now the expansion at KTP could allow for additional production.of more SUVs and even another BOF vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Biker...pipe dream for sure, but wifey and I have discussed numerous times the prospect of purchasing a Pickup and a small Air Stream and roadtrippin.... Love the F150 but if something a tad smaller can tow that beast Im all in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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