akirby Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Like most Toyota vehicles nowadays they're either sold by their reputation for quality (even if actual quality isn't what it used to be) or just brand loyalty. Camry usually comes in dead last in comparison tests but it's still the top seller year in year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 It just goes to show you that magazine tests don't really mean that much, at least for most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Like most Toyota vehicles nowadays they're either sold by their reputation for quality (even if actual quality isn't what it used to be) or just brand loyalty. The actual quality ratings of 4Runner and Tacoma justify their reputations. On iseecars.com's list of the Top 10 Longest Lasting Vehicles, 4Runner and Tacoma were two of the three that weren't full size trucks or SUVs. Newer 4Runners and Tacomas continue to do well in other quality and reliability studies, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 The actual quality ratings of 4Runner and Tacoma justify their reputations. On iseecars.com's list of the Top 10 Longest Lasting Vehicles, 4Runner and Tacoma were two of the three that weren't full size trucks or SUVs. Newer 4Runners and Tacomas continue to do well in other quality and reliability studies, too. But they're all rugged, body on frame trucks except for Avalon. And long lasting does not mean no problems. I'd wager that all of the aforementioned body on frame trucks and suvs are merely average in reliability at best when compared with all vehicles. And that goes for any brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Jeep is Jeep so not much you can say except they have done an awesome job marketing and delivering product, no matter how low on the reliability ranking, People want it because it is cool. I don't like Toyota, I think the 4Runner is ugly, and the Tacoma is a weak truck. However, you can spin it or rationalize all you want but Toyota is beating the pants of Ford with the no-show in two of the 'real (or perceived real) off-roader' segments: 4Runner and Tacoma vs. No-show from Ford. Now Toyota has nothing to match the Raptor, but Ford should have had the Bronco ready to go the same-day Toyota announced they were going to dis-continue the FJ. Soon, Jeep will have a Pickup with instant cool factor because it is a Jeep - probably before we see the Ranger!. Ford showed that really cool Bronco concept over 10 years ago. No matter how you see it Ford is way past fashionably late to the profitable party - at the expense of many potential younger customers. All we can say is "better late than never". Edited October 10, 2016 by Kev-Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 However, you can spin it or rationalize all you want but Toyota is beating the pants of Ford with the no-show in two of the 'real (or perceived real) off-roader' segments: 4Runner and Tacoma vs. No-show from Ford. Now Toyota has nothing to match the Raptor, but Ford should have had the Bronco ready to go the same-day Toyota announced they were going to dis-continue the FJ. Soon, Jeep will have a Pickup with instant cool factor because it is a Jeep - probably before we see the Ranger!. Ford showed that really cool Bronco concept over 10 years ago. No matter how you see it Ford is way past fashionably late to the profitable party - at the expense of many potential younger customers. Nobody said anything differently. It's obvious Ford is late to the party but it's hard to make huge investments in new products like this when you have to contract and completely change your business philosophy to keep from going bankrupt and fix your ailing car business and consolidate redundant platforms AND keep investing in your cash cow F series AND invest in new utilities. It's not like Ford simply chose to ignore those segments on purpose. But in the overall priority something like that would be low on the list compared to the other things Ford has been spending money on lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BORG Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) I think we all know that Bronco is a challenging name to relaunch, not only has it been gone for decades and has never had a consistent brand identity, but it's extremely famous for one reason only....OJ. But at least people recognize the name which is half the battle. Edited October 10, 2016 by BORG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabfordeb Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) The Bronco brand identity might be stronger than it appears. The Early Bronco has reached true classic and strong pricing status today at auctions and on the market. It's positive exposure is stronger than ever. If it turns out to be a real Wrangler fighter with the same capabilities a lot of folks, particularly Ford folks, who are buying Wranglers because there's nothing else might come aboard. If it's a normal SUV with just the name and some retro styling competing with all the rest, might sell OK but might not too. That won't excite the Early Bronco crowd. I'm just guessing from events and websites there are probably 30,000 real Bronco fans in the USA. The main forum, Classic Broncos, has over 13,000 members. That's just for the 66-77 Broncos. I think the concern would be if these folks accounted for 3,000 new Bronco sales per year, might not be enough. Most Early Bronco owners are not going to get rid of their Early Bronco to buy a new one, so the new one would be an additional daily driver for them. It needs to be appealing to Wrangler buyers and the general public too. I'm sure Ford has crunched all the data! Edited October 11, 2016 by fabfordeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I think you guys are making this entirely too hard...A good product aimed at its intended market will sell despite its name. Ford's implementation of it should be interesting...and what happened to it back in 2007-08 is still affecting what it is doing today...they focus on core products and now that they are sorted with a refresh cycle going forward, they can start looking at branching out to other projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 They've taken care of the high volume products so growth is only going to come from smaller markets and lower volume products which is why it's so important to have more than one product on a platform. Also high performance models commanding premium ATPs and profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Has there been any indication from the guys who work at MAP as to whether or not these "new" models will be updates of the current not-for-sale-here Ranger and Everest or will they be clean sheet designs? The current iteration of the global Ranger has been on the market long enough that it would seem time for a redesign, especially for models that are still a couple of years away. Is it possible that other markets will get all new models before the NA versions go on sale? Any signs that MAP is gearing up for aluminum bodies? EcoBoost? Diesel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Has there been any indication from the guys who work at MAP as to whether or not these "new" models will be updates of the current not-for-sale-here Ranger and Everest or will they be clean sheet designs? The current iteration of the global Ranger has been on the market long enough that it would seem time for a redesign, especially for models that are still a couple of years away. Is it possible that other markets will get all new models before the NA versions go on sale? Any signs that MAP is gearing up for aluminum bodies? EcoBoost? Diesel? None of us have been told a damn thing other than May of 2018 is the end of the Focus and Ranger is happening soon after that, followed by the Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Nobody at the factory would know that, but it doesn't make sense to introduce a brand new vehicle on an old platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Yeah there's no way they wouldn't be next-gen vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The current iteration of the global Ranger has been on the market long enough that it would seem time for a redesign, especially for models that are still a couple of years away. I agree ! I expect a major re-freshening before Ranger debuts in NA. Is it possible that other markets will get all new models before the NA versions go on sale? Possible, but, IMHO, not likely. Any signs that MAP is gearing up for aluminum bodies? EcoBoost? Diesel? Way too early. There was/is some stamping going on next door at WAP, but I am pretty certain it is all steel. The manufacturing process is just being laid out and tooling order. Shut down of the current production is probably over a year away, maybe 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 The timing seems right that we would be getting the next gen Ranger and not the current T6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Does this mean the BOF FordBroncoForum will stop sucking soon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Does this mean the BOF FordBroncoForum will stop sucking soon? Define "soon"...You have at least another 36 months before it hits the lots. I wouldn't expect to see it till Summer of 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Define "soon"...You have at least another 36 months before it hits the lots. I wouldn't expect to see it till Summer of 2019 at earliest, I expect SOP to be summer 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Define "soon"...You have at least another 36 months before it hits the lots. I wouldn't expect to see it till Summer of 2019 That doesn't mean we can't have a new thread every time someone finds a Ford Bronco Render from 2014! Actually nvm, I think I'm good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Does this mean the BOF FordBroncoForum will stop sucking soon? Didn't even realize there was such a forum. Wanna see a pic of my '75? LOL! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Back to the new models, what are the odds that the top of the line engine could be the 2.7L EB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Back to the new models, what are the odds that the top of the line engine could be the 2.7L EB? My hope is it not that much bigger then the Edge...if not smaller. That would be perfect IMO for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Next question: What is the possibility that the next gen Ranger/Bronco could be a unibody design? I would personally not be in favor of that due to towing capability concerns but there is some precedent with the Transit van... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Next question: What is the possibility that the next gen Ranger/Bronco could be a unibody design? I'd say virtually zero given that MOW gets a real Ranger bof pickup and the success of Canyorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.