SoonerLS Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Ford usually comes out with a kit for this. Plenty of Coyote swaps going on in earlier Mustangs. The kits are usually stand-alone controllers for putting the Coyote in a vehicle that doesn't have an integrated control system. If you try to do it in something newer than '05 or so, you're likely going to have difficulty because the controllers are all in a network and are expecting to get feedback from the other modules. You could end up with a perfectly functional powertrain, but none of the gauges on the dash work because the gauge cluster controller can't get the info it needs from the powertrain controller, or you can't turn on the headlights because the front end module is expecting commands from the powertrain controller that it doesn't know to give, or your airbags won't deploy in a crash because the powertrain controller wasn't providing speed data to their controller. Or worse--you could have nothing working because the powertrain controller in that vehicle was the computer that controlled everything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) From what I read, the top mechanism is the same - not sure if that's what you were referring to as potentially changing. no, more of the shape of the roofline. I'm aware they can't do much with it style-wise and still make it function properly, but the proportions look goofy to my eye and it wouldn't bother me to see a tweak. Edited January 20, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 This ^^^^^^^^^. It's easy to get the engine to run with a stand alone controller. Getting everything to work properly together throughout the vehicle as a daily driver is exponentially more difficult if not downright impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) no, more of the shape of the roofline. I'm aware they can't do much with it style-wise and still make it function properly, but the proportions look goofy to my eye and it wouldn't bother me to see a tweak. Well, I'm guessing if the mechanism is the same, it means that the look of it didn't change. I wonder if for the next generation it'll gain a powered cover like the Camaro got in its redesign? Edited January 20, 2017 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 This ^^^^^^^^^. It's easy to get the engine to run with a stand alone controller. Getting everything to work properly together throughout the vehicle as a daily driver is exponentially more difficult if not downright impossible. Difficult yes, but not impossible. http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1412-how-to-install-coyote-5-0l-engine-on-new-edge-mustang/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The car looks like it cost a lot more than it really does. The convertible looks great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Difficult yes, but not impossible. http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/1412-how-to-install-coyote-5-0l-engine-on-new-edge-mustang/ As far as I can tell, the Mustang didn't switch to the CAN architecture 'til 2005. The '99-'04 Mustangs in that article are a whole 'nother animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The original pictures with the yellow car didn't do justice to the styling changes. Looking at the front 3/4 view of the convertible above, it looks much better and I can't wait to see the car in person... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The car looks like it cost a lot more than it really does. The convertible looks great. It does, doesn't it? I'd like to see a render with a matte silver mesh grille and windshield frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 It's always interesting to read the BOF posts about the Mustang as it's more than an American icon. Most of us either had a Mustang in the garage years ago, or a family member, or a neighbor, or a good friend. As such, we've all had Mustang stories to share or heard. At first glance, the 2018 Mustang looks so similar to the 2017MY that the changes are barely noticed. Fortunately, Ford recognizes and respects the Mustang's iconic satus and has carefully continued to evolve and refine the Mustang so that it becomes a better vehicle year after year. I'm still stopped, almost daily, by Mustang fans that want to talk about the 2017 Mustang GT Premium Fastback (White Platinum w/Redline Leather) that I drive as my company car. The new 2018 Mustang series looks great and includes far more changes and upgrades than would normally be seen for a mid-cycle refresh. Congratulations to Ford on a job well done! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The visual hood nod to the 1970 torino king cobra is interesting...the one thing i like about the stang is it is fun to drive as all cars need to be..if ford ever upends that the stang will be dead...ford needs to watch how much electro crap they put on the stang that eliminates driver input and mucks up that fun to drive aspect....pretty much a warning for all models...cars need to be fun to drive from the lowly fiesta to the stang.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The visual hood nod to the 1970 torino king cobra is interesting...the one thing i like about the stang is it is fun to drive as all cars need to be..if ford ever upends that the stang will be dead...ford needs to watch how much electro crap they put on the stang that eliminates driver input and mucks up that fun to drive aspect....pretty much a warning for all models...cars need to be fun to drive from the lowly fiesta to the stang.. I agree. I think there should be a one step process to disable all of those electronic aids, allowing for that fun factor shine when desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 something tells me someone who is a lot smarter than I am will end up figuring that out, if nothing else because why not. Although this probably won't apply to newer computer controlled vehicles like 351's 2013 Stang, there is mention in an article covering the 2016 SEMA show in the Feb '17 issue of Mustang Monthly magazine about a system that Holley is developing for older vehicle Coyote engine swaps. What is unique about the new Holley EFI controller is that it will also control the Ti-VCT. The feature vehicle in the Holley SEMA booth was a 1966 Mustang fastback called Corner Horse. From the article: "But the real hook is the Ford Racing Aluminator XS Coyote engine and Holley EFI that controls the variable cam timing (VCT) system. In the past, in order to swap a Coyote into an older car, you had to lock out the cams and kill the low-end engine torque and drivability that VCT gave larger cam profiles, or lose hp at the top that VCT gave smaller cam profiles. Controlling the VCT gives you both. This feature is in development for the Holley HP and Dominator EFI systems and should be available soon." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a32377/2018-ford-mustang-gt-horsepower/ 2018 Mustang GT to have 455 HP At the link above, there is a different digital cluster...maybe a hint? As for the one posted here...755HP? That would be a nice number for the new Mustang King Cobra or whatever the new range topping mustang is going to be. I wonder if the Demon will have some competition at the NYIAS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Both hp figures make perfect sense. The only question is whether the 755 is coming from a twin turbo or a supercharger and whether the displacement is 4.8, 5.0 or 5.2 with or without a FPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Does anyone have the Camaro HP numbers handy for comparison? I'm too lazy to look them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 455 and 650 for the ZL1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpvbs Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 DI usually fattens up the low and mid range nicely as well. 20hp on top and a maybe a little bump across the entire power curve is a nice improvement. I would guess the F150 version will see something similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanatWork Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 That is a lovely beast, I like the pics more and more.According to a source on another board, 20 hp might be a very conservative estimate of the 5.0's hp increase. I do wonder if the next "monster Mustang" will have turbocharging this time around, instead of the typical blower arrangement. Turbo technology has finally caught up to the promises carmakers were throwing around in the 80's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The upcoming 750 horsepower Carroll Shelby Mustang Super Snake is not the upcoming GT500 correct? It does sound like a nice vehicle at 3.5 seconds 0 to 60 on the 750 horsepower version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The upcoming 750 horsepower Carroll Shelby Mustang Super Snake is not the upcoming GT500 correct? It does sound like a nice vehicle at 3.5 seconds 0 to 60 on the 750 horsepower version. no, that's an upgrade offered by Shelby America, like the Roush Mustangs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I just wanted to be clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbevo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I saw the 2018 at NAIAS on Saturday. The changes are subtle, but it does look pretty good in person, and discerning customers will clearly see the differences.... I wish the changes were a little more aggressive, but the car has sold well so I get it. (The aftermarket will take care of that!) The front end is more “tapered” and less bulky than the ’15-17 (It’s kinda hard to explain without seeing in the flesh). We'll have to see what the road tests tell us about the chassis & powertrain upgrades and whether it is a better competitor to the Camaro. By the way, nobody, with the exception of a few mullet heads, was looking at the Camaros at NAIAS, at least when I was there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 And why would Ford make the 18's horsepower level with that of GM's 6.2 V8? Why not take the opportunity to go one better, you can pick up 20 HP with a just cold air package....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Isn't the nose of the current GT350 more "tapered" than the other 15 thru 17 Mustangs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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