blksn8k2 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 See this is why (and also my fault for) trying to compare other existing vehicles to what we expect from a Bronco can become very misleading as people tend to take examples too literally. Perhaps we leave it at a more chunky looking SUV styled vehicle that pays respect to past Broncos while looking completely different to Everest And I was just playing devil's advocate. Someone has to... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 To really sum up this question as to why there can only be 1 answer.."ford hates us off road guys"..there i said it..now i will go back to playin in my sandbox with my tonkas..good day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 To really sum up this question as to why there can only be 1 answer.."ford hates us off road guys"..there i said it..now i will go back to playin in my sandbox with my tonkas..good day As a Raptor owner, I must respectfully disagree with that statement. Im not aware of any other manufacturer that built a dedicated off-road truck. I think it remains to be seen what the Bronco will be. Nobody really knows At this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 As a Raptor owner, I must respectfully disagree with that statement. Im not aware of any other manufacturer that built a dedicated off-road truck. I think it remains to be seen what the Bronco will be. Nobody really knows At this point. And the very few people that do are being very tight lipped about it. More so than usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 FRAP built RHD Ford Cougars . What would a RHD Ford Cougar look like?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 . What would a RHD Ford Cougar look like?? A LHD Mercury Cougar with the wheel on the wrong side. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Mercury was a NA only brand. Anything sold in Europe would have been a Ford brand vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 They posted a blueprint of the plant layout and outlined some of the construction they're doing in December and January. I'm not convinced they're changing enough to go RHD but what do I know? It's just a small part of the overall construction anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 What kind of investment/changes do you need to make in a plant to build RHD? (it's a serious question... I don't know) More or less a complete gut job. Edison went from the Escort to the Ranger in 1992-3, which would be similar to what MAP needs to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) I recall Ford saying that MAP wouldn't require a complete gut and rebuild, The standardized build process now in place with Focus s carried over to Ranger, meaning the work stations are altered but generally stay in the same or similar locations relative to each other. Edited November 24, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I recall Ford saying that MAP wouldn't require a complete gut and rebuild, The standardized build process now in place with Focus s carried over to Ranger, meaning the work stations are altered but generally stay in the same or similar locations relative to each other. people keep telling me they're eliminating door line which makes no sense to me but there's that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 people keep telling me they're eliminating door line which makes no sense to me but there's that.... Current Ranger assembly has a door line running alongside the trucs - see around 3:22 on the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Current Ranger assembly has a door line running alongside the trucs - see around 3:22 on the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mZpngCdoqg that's not much different than how we currently do it at MAP, except the door line is completely separate from the rest of the trim lines. Apparently they're eliminating that all together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) ffffffff Edited November 24, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) fffffff Edited November 24, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 that's not much different than how we currently do it at MAP, except the door line is completely separate from the rest of the trim lines. Apparently they're eliminating that all together I'm betting that Ford set the MAP line up like other T6 production lines, then that separate door line goes and the doors get assembled next to the vehicle. That frees up a lot more off line space.with better layout of off line assembly areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 people keep telling me they're eliminating door line which makes no sense to me but there's that.... There is still confusion on whether the door line is staying where it is. Or if it is going in the area of trim line 2. Need to find out. That plant layout print reflects more of what they are doing in the short term. I need to spend a little more time on it. Door line is still in the same spot on it. I think that reflects the new seat overflow/feed line. And bathrroms. Need to see if the new pits are on there. But the one they talked about in the handbill (near the begining of trim line 2) didnt seem to be on print. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) There is still confusion on whether the door line is staying where it is. Or if it is going in the area of trim line 2. Need to find out. That plant layout print reflects more of what they are doing in the short term. I need to spend a little more time on it. Door line is still in the same spot on it. I think that reflects the new seat overflow/feed line. And bathrroms. Need to see if the new pits are on there. But the one they talked about in the handbill (near the begining of trim line 2) didnt seem to be on print. The launch team guy on door line told me they're planning on building the short doors for the super cab models on trim 7. I'm confused as to how that's going to work too. That area near the end of trim 2 you're talking about is going to be the new chassis 2 according to that blueprint/poster that's next to the cafeteria they put up this week. The other pit is apparently already there but covered up and that's in the back behind chassis. That's going to be the beginning of the new frame line. I've been told the goal is to eliminate or reroute as many of the overhead conveyors as they can since it's basically a tangled clusterfuck above trim shop right now. Edited November 25, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 The launch team guy on door line told me they're planning on building the short doors for the super cab models on trim 7. I'm confused as to how that's going to work too. That area near the end of trim 2 you're talking about is going to be the new chassis 2 according to that blueprint/poster that's next to the cafeteria they put up this week. The other pit is apparently already there but covered up and that's in the back behind chassis. That's going to be the beginning of the new frame line. I've been told the goal is to eliminate or reroute as many of the overhead conveyors as they can since it's basically a tangled clusterfuck above trim shop right now. There is a pit going in out back that is all new (I think the new Trim line 5 is in this mix also not 100%). It is the reason why we have 3 weeks off. Ask a hilo driver who is working that time we are off and you will understand. I already looked at that print and the area at the beginning of trim 2 to the bathroom is the same as it is now on that print. Like I said I plan on studying it more this week and that the print is for short term plans.. But I can easily see where my job is on that print. The door line is there where it is now on that print. I will get the magnifying glass out and sherlock holmes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I looked at it on break, it didn't really show what the new construction will look like when completed, just notated the areas where it's going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 More or less a complete gut job. Edison went from the Escort to the Ranger in 1992-3, which would be similar to what MAP needs to do. The gut job is for changing production models (Focus --> Ranger). It won't be because Ford needs to build RHD Bronco... which was my question... what is involved in making sure the plant can build both LHD and RHD. I don't really think there is any expensive investments required. All the costs involved in a RHD Bronco program will be in design and engineering (most of which already happened because of Ranger and Everest) and getting the suppliers to make plastic molds for RHD dashboard and door trim pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I looked at it on break, it didn't really show what the new construction will look like when completed, just notated the areas where it's going I checked again. It is the work slated for the 3 weeks we are off as i previously mentioned. 3 new pits not 2. The place will look a lot different after we get back. And have a number of unfinished projects lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I checked again. It is the work slated for the 3 weeks we are off as i previously mentioned. 3 new pits not 2. The place will look a lot different after we get back. And have a number of unfinished projects lol and I heard today from a reasonably reliable source that the cutoff for coming back in November is 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrailGaiter Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 How can anyone know what the cutoff date is without knowing how many transfers are going to take place between now and November..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 How can anyone know what the cutoff date is without knowing how many transfers are going to take place between now and November..? heard it from someone from the union, it won't be any lower than 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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