silvrsvt Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 18 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: The geniuses at Toyota came up with that odd, but successful direction when designing the Prius. I remember reading, and I paraphrase - "...we don't care if it is perceived as ugly, just as long as it looks like nothing else on the road..." - Brilliant, and is sure worked! But Prius sales have been going down for the past couple years also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, silvrsvt said: But Prius sales have been going down for the past couple years also... Yes sir, they're dropped a lot in the U.S. The steepest declines recently took place a year after the 4th gen Prius was introduced (2016-2017), and in January 2019 before the refreshed MY 2019 Prius started arriving at dealerships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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probowler Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Looks like they just took the old 2004 Bronco concept then went to town. Looks ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 5:49 AM, silvrsvt said: But Prius sales have been going down for the past couple years also... So, after fifteen or more years, the car buying public figured out the Prius was ugly? You totally missed the point, The Prius was/is a success in spite of questionable styling, because being conspicuous is more important to that customer than handsome styling. The designers of this truck are going with that notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 16 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: So, after fifteen or more years, the car buying public figured out the Prius was ugly? You totally missed the point, The Prius was/is a success in spite of questionable styling, because being conspicuous is more important to that customer than handsome styling. The designers of this truck are going with that notion. Not at all. The issue is that it sold alright for what is was, but between taste changes and more competition, it’s sales fell. At the rate Tesla and Riven are going, Ford will have a BEV CUV and Truck to compete that won’t look redictious at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 17 hours ago, Kev-Mo said: So, after fifteen or more years, the car buying public figured out the Prius was ugly? You totally missed the point, The Prius was/is a success in spite of questionable styling, because being conspicuous is more important to that customer than handsome styling. The designers of this truck are going with that notion. This truck is nowhere near Prius level ugly. 40 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Not at all. The issue is that it sold alright for what is was, but between taste changes and more competition, it’s sales fell. At the rate Tesla and Riven are going, Ford will have a BEV CUV and Truck to compete that won’t look redictious at the same time. Truck customers - or I should say "core" truck customers - are different too - they're not going to want a bizarre design. Sure, a bizarre design may pull some non-truck customers, but in general, the truck guys like a traditional look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/12/gm-talks-rivian-may-be-dead/ GM will not follow Amazon's lead and take an equity stake in fledgling electric vehicle company Rivian after talks reached an impasse. So says Bloomberg, citing unnamed sources who are familiar with the matter and say the negotiations may be dead. GM was widely believed to be right in line with Amazon, which in February made a $700 million investment in Rivian. But the talks reportedly trickled off in the past couple weeks, leaving GM on its own to develop an electric pickup truck if it doesn't find a way to rekindle the discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, rmc523 said: https://www.autoblog.com/2019/04/12/gm-talks-rivian-may-be-dead/ One possible reason for this is that GM decided to design & develop its battery electric pickup truck completely in-house, rather than using Rivian technology. As the article mentioned, GM's decision probably won't impact Rivian at all. They have plenty of other investors. I'm still betting on Ford as the first company to put a pure battery electric pickup truck into production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, rperez817 said: I'm still betting on Ford as the first company to put a pure battery electric pickup truck into production. They sure did...back in 1998 to 2002. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CKNSLS Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 The reason Prius sales dropped is because it's a NEW car that looks like it's already been in a collision when it leaves the factory. That rear end....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) Back on topic. Edited May 19, 2019 by MY93SHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 They definitely have some neat ideas. It'll be interesting to see how the company does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Ford loves to tease with concepts that never make it into major production. I put this in the same class as the Mach1 EV. Beautiful but probably will be very limited production and miss the introduction date if there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 5 hours ago, mlhm5 said: Ford loves to tease with concepts that never make it into major production. I put this in the same class as the Mach1 EV. Beautiful but probably will be very limited production and miss the introduction date if there is one. How very Tesla-easque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 8 hours ago, mlhm5 said: Ford loves to tease with concepts that never make it into major production. I put this in the same class as the Mach1 EV. Beautiful but probably will be very limited production and miss the introduction date if there is one. They stopped doing that ten years ago. Wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 3:16 PM, mlhm5 said: Ford loves to tease with concepts that never make it into major production. I put this in the same class as the Mach1 EV. Beautiful but probably will be very limited production and miss the introduction date if there is one. What are you talking about? The last concepts like that were the Interceptor and MKR in 2007. They did have the Evos, but that was a design preview for Fusion. Atlas was an F-150 with a different name to be a "concept". They don't show outlandish concepts anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: What are you talking about? The last concepts like that were the Interceptor and MKR in 2007. They did have the Evos, but that was a design preview for Fusion. Atlas was an F-150 with a different name to be a "concept". They don't show outlandish concepts anymore. The last one I can remember was 2015 Edge and 2016 MKX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: The last one I can remember was 2015 Edge and 2016 MKX Aviator had a concept - er preview - as well. But the two you listed were also thinly veiled production models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: The last one I can remember was 2015 Edge and 2016 MKX He was talking about concepts that never make it to production like the Interceptor and MKR. Not pre production previews of actual models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Does this still belong in "competing products"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I am predicting that the Rivian R1T will become Ford F100e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 They might sell more then you think. Ford, GM and FCA sell hundreds of thousands of full-sized pickups in the $50-75k market and the proces are only going up quickly. Isn't the F-150 trim level mix at like 50% King Ranch, Platinum and Limited trim levels? Those start above $50k right now. I'd say there is room in this market for high priced pickups. Now of course will these customers even go for an EV pickup or a new brand? That's the real question. I do think you'll find more resistance here then you would in the EV passenger car market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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