ANTAUS Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Just wondering if anyone has an info on sales, since now we are left to our own devices to figure it out, thanks to quarterly reporting...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 You may want to change the title to August Sales..... FCA Estimate........215, 425 (+10.7%) Ford Estimate........210,996 (-3.1%) GM Estimate..........288,500 (+20.1%) GM's August 2018 was down compared to August 2017 so August 2019 is an up month. Ford on the other hand is a 3% drop over 2018 and slightly more than 2017 FCA is clearly on the upward trail, clearly supplanting Ford for second spot. August sales.........2019..................2018.......... ......2017 GM....................288,500..............240,236 ............275,552 FCA....................215,425.............194,668 ............177,122 Ford...................210,996.............217,700 ............209,029 individual sales numbers are incredibly hard to come by now as all three no longer report monthly sales so it might take a week or so for a few things to filter through (hopefully RMC is on the job..:) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Opps just realized thanks, not sure how to edit it though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Ram has better interiors (by far)..hoping ford F series gets some interior update in 2020..new escape looks like a mazda...i bet soon ford starts to float a merger.....nothing on ford lot to drive me there outside of a new f350 i am wanting but they quickly need to pick up there game on interior quality...plastics still feel like my old ranger from 30 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, snooter said: ..new escape looks like a mazda...i bet soon ford starts to float a merger..... You would lose that bet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, snooter said: ..nothing on ford lot to drive me there outside of a new f350 i am wanting but they quickly need to pick up there game on interior quality...plastics still feel like my old ranger from 30 years ago You have no idea what you’re talking about. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, akirby said: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Ignore button is your friend 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Are we seeing signs that Ford, GM and FCA are selling into a market that's filling up, the latter two using more incentives or is this just the market leveling off, maybe settling a bit to a more sustainable pace.....Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Are we seeing signs that Ford, GM and FCA are selling into a market that's filling up, the latter two using more incentives or is this just the market leveling off, maybe settling a bit to a more sustainable pace.....Thoughts? The only thing to take down trucks is gas prices...right now that is not even on the horizon....not sure what market you are refering too but truck sales show no sign of slowing....ford is only behind the curve on truck interiors... The only thing preventing surge in ranger sales is gas prices...other factor you could argue for lack of sales is price point too high for what you get...pushing loaded rangers initially may not have been the right choice.... Edited September 7, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnm Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, snooter said: The only thing preventing surge in ranger sales is gas prices.. Wrong again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, mnm said: So basically the loss is a result of Focus being killed off and the Explorer switchover. Not really a major problem... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Quote So basically the loss is a result of Focus being killed off and the Explorer switchover. Not really a major problem... and F Series down about 6,000 from August 2018 (81K) Must be all those Ranger sales.......rolleyes. Nautilus.............3,105 (good month) Navigator............1,607 Aviator...................447 Expedition.........7,087 (strong sales) Escape............23,138 (Going through the change) Edge................14,510 (Up 25%) F Series..............75,464 (Just wow...) Ranger..................9,818 (Up significantly) Transit................16,925 (+33%) Edited September 8, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 hours ago, snooter said: The only thing to take down trucks is gas prices...right now that is not even on the horizon....not sure what market you are refering too but truck sales show no sign of slowing....ford is only behind the curve on truck interiors... The only thing preventing surge in ranger sales is gas prices...other factor you could argue for lack of sales is price point too high for what you get...pushing loaded rangers initially may not have been the right choice.... With respect, it's not about gas prices, they are actually the last nail in the coffin. the whole thing is spinning on easy credit and lowish interest rates. So many vehicles now are being financed with optimistic residuals to keep repayments down, manufacturers want people turning their vehicles over every three or four years... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, jpd80 said: With respect, it's not about gas prices, they are actually the last nail in the coffin. the whole thing is spinning on easy credit and lowish interest rates. So many vehicles now are being financed with optimistic residuals to keep repayments down, manufacturers want people turning their vehicles over every three or four years... 6 month leases are being done...what % i do not know...evidently for new coolness factor its a thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 7 hours ago, jpd80 said: and F Series down about 6,000 from August 2018 (81K) Must be all those Ranger sales.......rolleyes. Nautilus.............3,105 (good month) Navigator............1,607 Aviator...................447 Expedition.........7,087 (strong sales) Escape............23,138 (Going through the change) Edge................14,510 (Up 25%) F Series..............75,464 (Just wow...) Ranger..................9,818 (Up significantly) Transit................16,925 (+33%) Expedition selling at half the rate of Edge is impressive (and very profitable for Ford). Edge sales last month responding to hefty incentives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Expedition selling at half the rate of Edge is impressive (and very profitable for Ford). Edge sales last month responding to hefty incentives. I'm sure Ford is also trying to move people that wanted an Explorer into an Edge instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dequindre Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Not a bad month for Ford, all things considered. The loss of Focus volume alone can nearly explain the decline (and that's not even taking into account the Explorer, C-Max, and Taurus). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexB Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 14 hours ago, jpd80 said: With respect, it's not about gas prices, they are actually the last nail in the coffin. the whole thing is spinning on easy credit and lowish interest rates. So many vehicles now are being financed with optimistic residuals to keep repayments down, manufacturers want people turning their vehicles over every three or four years... But have used vehicle resideuals held up better than many of the forecasts? Ford credit profits have been good. Question to you (or anybody) how has RAM been doing since the change to quarterly reporting? 1 hour ago, Dequindre said: Not a bad month for Ford, all things considered. The loss of Focus volume alone can nearly explain the decline (and that's not even taking into account the Explorer, C-Max, and Taurus). I see good things ahead for Ford sales given all the new & important product coming. The only question is how disruptive is the F-150 change over on inventory/availability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, AlexB said: But have used vehicle resideuals held up better than many of the forecasts? Ford credit profits have been good. Question to you (or anybody) how has RAM been doing since the change to quarterly reporting? I see good things ahead for Ford sales given all the new & important product coming. The only question is how disruptive is the F-150 change over on inventory/availability. Better than last time. They won't have to rebuild the plants to aluminum this go around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 56 minutes ago, AlexB said: I see good things ahead for Ford sales given all the new & important product coming. The only question is how disruptive is the F-150 change over on inventory/availability. As said above, the major changes were made with changeover to Aluminum, hybrid F150 and BEV F150 will most likely be built down the same production lines as if just another F150. The big disruptor will be the 7.3 V8 across the board in Super Duty and the new F600 Truck If those changes hit their marks, Ford could have a serious problems keeping up with demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 10:05 AM, ANTAUS said: Opps just realized thanks, not sure how to edit it though... I just changed it to August Sales 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 17 hours ago, jpd80 said: With respect, it's not about gas prices, they are actually the last nail in the coffin. the whole thing is spinning on easy credit and lowish interest rates. So many vehicles now are being financed with optimistic residuals to keep repayments down, manufacturers want people turning their vehicles over every three or four years... I'll have to look at the current residuals for Ford's leases but historically they're competitive or slightly on the conservative side. And don't even bother to look at Mustang residuals as Ford does not want to lease Mustangs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 15 hours ago, snooter said: 6 month leases are being done...what % i do not know...evidently for new coolness factor its a thing..... 6-month leases? Where and through what sources? Doesn't make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Trader 10 said: Expedition selling at half the rate of Edge is impressive (and very profitable for Ford). Edge sales last month responding to hefty incentives. The 2019 Edge is doing very well for us the past 3 months and is also a good alternative to those that don't need the Explorer's 3rd row seat. Strong demand for 2019 Edge Titanium AWD''s w/Titanium Elite Package which we're having trouble keeping in stock. We're in CT and buying Edge Titanium's from dealers in PA to meet demand. Unfortunately, a number of customers buying or leasing the 2019 Edge ST's are complaining about the ST's seats. Changes for the 2020 Edge should help grow sales even more with increased availability of the SE AWD which includes more standard equipment at an even more attractive price point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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