bossman351 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lincoln-zephyr-reflection-and-corsair-phev-debut-in-china-159583.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 dammnnnnn 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Gorgeous car. I presume this and the Evos are C2 based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 That is a good looking sedan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khantinental Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 It's a lot better than the CT5, but that being said, the fact that Lincoln is putting development funds towards China only makes me concerned. It's another Buick IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 It's beautiful, I love it !!! Bring it here, I'll happily trade in my MKZ for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 More photos here: https://www.autohome.com.cn/tech/202104/1141900.html#p1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2005Explorer Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 That new Zephyr is beautiful. Sadly we will never see anything like it in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, 2005Explorer said: That new Zephyr is beautiful. Sadly we will never see anything like it in the USA. What's sad is that North America gives 95% of the profit and China that contributes little profit and probably our biggest enemy gets more than its lion share of new product. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang84isu Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I'm in the market for a new vehicle (currently have an MKZ) and this is exactly what I am looking for. Sadly, Ford is going to force me to look at another manufacturer because they will never bring something like this over here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, mustang84isu said: I'm in the market for a new vehicle (currently have an MKZ) and this is exactly what I am looking for. Sadly, Ford is going to force me to look at another manufacturer because they will never bring something like this over here. Just move to China. I hear most companies allow fully remote work now days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said: Just move to China. I hear most companies allow fully remote work now days. Hmmm....every luxury maker selling vehicles in America has at least one sedan offering but ONE....Lincoln. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: Hmmm....every luxury maker selling vehicles in America has at least one sedan offering but ONE....Lincoln. And none of them have all of these vehicles either - Bronco, Ranger, Maverick, Mach-E, F150, Super Duty, Transit, Transit Connect. Not to mention all the new BEVs in development. You can't do all that at the same time without cutting something somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: Hmmm....every luxury maker selling vehicles in America has at least one sedan offering but ONE....Lincoln. Lincoln is in a transition period right now, it's finally coming alive again after being a zombie brand for a long time. Maybe a sedan will be added to the Lincoln product lineup in the U.S. and other regions outside China once the brand becomes 100% electric vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbalek Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 This is a cool video of the Zephyr: Lincoln Zephyr Reflection Concept (China Only) - YouTube I had a 2013 MKZ 2.0 AWD in Ingot Silver. I traded it for a 2020 Explorer ST and love it but still miss the sleek sedan. This would've been an awesome evolution of that last design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, hbalek said: This is a cool video of the Zephyr: Lincoln Zephyr Reflection Concept (China Only) - YouTube I had a 2013 MKZ 2.0 AWD in Ingot Silver. I traded it for a 2020 Explorer ST and love it but still miss the sleek sedan. This would've been an awesome evolution of that last design! And unlike the Continental, the MKZ was a top seller for Lincoln and their only hybrid that got 40 mpg. Still waiting for hybrid Corsair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I like it a lot. I think this should be offered here too just like the Evos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I like it a lot. I think this should be offered here too just like the Evos. Flat Rock sure seems to be available..... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMSA-XJR9 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 My wife gave up her last MKZ (Escape Limited now), and has been wanting to get back into a Lincoln sedan as she's not the biggest CUV/SUV fan. We've found some 2020 MKZs, but I think she may be headed towards an Acura TLX/AWD . . . then I showed her the China Zephyr, and she's even more pissed she didn't keep her MKZ! LOL! Stinks, but that's how things roll sometimes . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, akirby said: Flat Rock sure seems to be available..... That's exactly what I was thinking - they have a plant available this time that's limited to shorter vehicles. Why not offer them here? If there were no plant space, I'd understand more, but they have one sitting there. Unless they just plain import them from China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I just don't believe Ford can't put together a business plan for 100k volume for Evos and Zephyr combined to go into Flat Rock or another plant. It's mind boggling that a car company like Ford can't figure out how to make and sell cars in one of its primary market. Honda manages the business case for TLX just fine with similar volume as MKZ. The whole point of a common modular platform like C2 is so you can make multiple models on the same production line with ease and flexibility. It's crazy that Ford still can't manage that in North America. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, bzcat said: I just don't believe Ford can't put together a business plan for 100k volume for Evos and Zephyr combined to go into Flat Rock or another plant. It's mind boggling that a car company like Ford can't figure out how to make and sell cars in one of its primary market. Honda manages the business case for TLX just fine with similar volume as MKZ. The whole point of a common modular platform like C2 is so you can make multiple models on the same production line with ease and flexibility. It's crazy that Ford still can't manage that in North America. It has? TLX sales: Calendar year US sales[23] 2014 19,127 2015 47,080 2016 37,156 2017 34,846 2018 30,468 2019 26,548 2020 21,785 MKZ for comparison Calendar Year U.S. sales (2005 - 2019) China[37] Total (gas & hybrid) Hybrid-only Hybrid share 2005 4,985[38] N/A 2006 33,114[39] 2007 34,363[40] 2008 30,117[41] 2009 22,081[42] 2010 22,535[43] 1,192[44] 5.3% 2011 27,529[45] 5,739[46] 20.8% 2012 28,053[47] 6,067[48] 21.6% 2013 32,361[49] 7,469[50] 23.1% 2014 34,009[51] 10,033[52] 29.5% 2015 30,901[53] 8,403[54] 27.2% 2,801 2016 30,534[55] 7,219[56] 23.6% 7,325 2017 27,387[57] 5,931[58] 21.7% 12,497 2018 19,852[59] 12,560 2019 17,725[60] 2020 12,518[61] The TLX is based on the Accord, which is still selling ok, but its loosing sales since 2014 2015 355,557 −8.4% 2016 345,225 −2.9% 2017 322,655 −6.5% 2018 291,071 −9.8% 2019 267,567 −8.1% 2020 199,458 −25.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 hours ago, bzcat said: I just don't believe Ford can't put together a business plan for 100k volume for Evos and Zephyr combined to go into Flat Rock or another plant. It's mind boggling that a car company like Ford can't figure out how to make and sell cars in one of its primary market. Honda manages the business case for TLX just fine with similar volume as MKZ. The whole point of a common modular platform like C2 is so you can make multiple models on the same production line with ease and flexibility. It's crazy that Ford still can't manage that in North America. I would think auto consumers are starting to get very bored seeing the same generic, CUV shape on the road with only different logos on the hood and tailgate. After awhile, we will go full circle and sedans will make a comeback. Lincoln needs a sharp, luxurious sedan priced similar to the MKZ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, FordBuyer said: I would think auto consumers are starting to get very bored seeing the same generic, CUV shape on the road with only different logos on the hood and tailgate. After awhile, we will go full circle and sedans will make a comeback. Lincoln needs a sharp, luxurious sedan priced similar to the MKZ. Given the way that people view cars and the expense of them, a Sedan has alot of shortcomings vs a CUV...perceived or not. Look at this way-with the way the costs of new car is (almost 40K) people are leaning more towards a swiss army knife approach with CUVs or Trucks. You can fit large objects in them without any issues nor are you dependent on having things delivered, depending on what you buy. Sedans are almost like coupes in most people's eyes...the only thing they can do equally as good as a CUV in most cases is carry people. People rather pay more for something they might need then what they actually need...we are just seeing a return the form factor of what was popular in the 1920-40s. People don't replace cars nor are they disposible products like they where 30-40 years ago. Edited April 21, 2021 by silvrsvt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Given the way that people view cars and the expense of them, a Sedan has alot of shortcomings vs a CUV...perceived or not. I own a CUV, and it does have shortcomings....more expensive, higher center of gravity, not as good aerodynamics, more generic, poorer fuel mileage than commensurate sedan. Sedans have their place, especially in the luxury segment. Even the top BEVs are sedans like Model S, Taycan, and Aude E tron . The new Lucid sedan looks like a winner also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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