2025 Lincoln Navigator

[rmc523]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:21 AM, T-dubz said:

 

here’s the TFL video. 

The dash is really low and the screen is far back. I guess that’s done to not interfere with the view of the road and still allow you to see the screens. Not having the screen or gauges directly behind the wheel is gonna take some getting used to. Just looks like something is missing. I think I like the position of the center screen better in the expedition since it’s a bit higher up, but my opinion might change after we see actual production photos.

 

i think my favorite new feature is the tailgate. Like Andre demonstrates in the video, opening only the top section allows you to access the rear without having anything fall out. This comes in handy if you’ve parked on an incline or if groceries got moved around when driving. You won’t have cans or jars accidentally rolling out. Having a tailgate to sit on that’s also covered is nice.

I’ve been a fan of the jet appearance package since it came out and this one doesn’t disappoint. Really like that color. The black label looks nice. It always has nice leather but I especially like this one. Wish the copper accents looked more like copper. Even after he pointed it out, it was still hard to see. 24” wheels are crazy but they look good.

 

The biggest zonk of this new navigators interior that I haven’t seen mentioned elsewhere is the ac vents being controlled digitally. Did anyone ask for this feature? Why overcomplicate something that’s so simple? I also don’t understand the rejuvenate mode. Both seem like a waste of development costs.

 

I've had some experience with the digital vents in various Teslas and recently a Panamera, and I honestly feel the same way.....I realize it's where everything is headed, but I could never get it to point right where I want it to.  Plus, that setup doesn't allow for the vents to be pointed different directions - for example, if it's super hot out, sometimes I'll point one air vent at my face, and the other at my body....the setups I've seen don't allow for that. 

 

On 8/17/2024 at 3:00 AM, Hyins said:

 

That's nice.

 

3 hours ago, .I. said:

2025 Cadillac Escalade: 420 HP

2025 Cadillac Escalade V: 682 HP

 

The top-of-the-line Navigator’s engine is weak compared with the top-of-the-line Escalade engine 

 

Facts.

Check it 

 

It's fair to point out that their optional trim/engine has more power, but not fair to ignore these factors:

1) Cadillac has more sporting intention across their entire model range.

2) I like how you conveniently ignore that Lincoln's standard powertrain - the one the vast majority of Escalade customers would buy - is 440hp/510-lb.ft, which eclipses Escalade by 20/50.

 

Edited August 19, 2024 by rmc523

[akirby]

7 hours ago, .I. said:

Why some guys is this page can insult others without consequences?  
Is my opinion. Can’t express it? 

I didn’t say you were ridiculous - I said the statement was ridiculous.  And that wasn’t an opinion, that was a statement of fact which is simply not true.

 

Fact:  Navi has a more powerful standard engine.

Fact: Escalade has a more powerful optional engine.

 

None of the 3 engines could be considered weak by any measure.

Edited August 19, 2024 by akirby

[Happy european guy]

14 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

and being a jackass about it doesn't win you any favors either...

And there is no equant V model in the Lincoln lineup

 

Facts.

Check it

 

 

This page improves every minute. 2 insults in less than 12 hours!  The administrators must be on summer vacation!

[Happy european guy]

10 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

I've had some experience with the digital vents in various Teslas and recently a Panamera, and I honestly feel the same way.....I realize it's where everything is headed, but I could never get it to point right where I want it to.  Plus, that setup doesn't allow for the vents to be pointed different directions - for example, if it's super hot out, sometimes I'll point one air vent at my face, and the other at my body....the setups I've seen don't allow for that. 

 

 

That's nice.

 

 

It's fair to point out that their optional trim/engine has more power, but not fair to ignore these factors:

1) Cadillac has more sporting intention across their entire model range.

2) I like how you conveniently ignore that Lincoln's standard powertrain - the one the vast majority of Escalade customers would buy - is 440hp/510-lb.ft, which eclipses Escalade by 20/

 

True. But is also true that everyone hoped that the engine would be improved with more power and, perhaps, some hybrid version. We expected that.

We must also remember that another Navigator’s competitor, the Mercedes-Benz GLS has an intermediate version with 510 HP, in addition to the base 375 HP and the top of the line 603 HP 

[Happy european guy]

7 hours ago, akirby said:

I didn’t say you were ridiculous - I said the statement was ridiculous.  And that wasn’t an opinion, that was a statement of fact which is simply not true.

 

Fact:  Navi has a more powerful standard engine.

Fact: Escalade has a more powerful optional engine.

 

None of the 3 engines could be considered weak by any measure.

 

At what amount of power is an engine not weak?  At 300 hp? At 350 hp? At 400 hp?

Who decides that? You?

Whatever you say, is your opinion. Not a statement of facts. 

In the 80s , a 150 hp engine was considered powerful enough for sports cars! The Mustang had a 119 hp V8! The most exotic car by then, the Lamborghini Countach, had 370 hp V12 engine.  Now, this power 150-200 hp,  is considered appropriate only for small and cheap vehicles. 450 hp is enough for a big, flagship , luxury SUV in a time where a family sedan like the Toyota Crown has up to 340 hp hybrid engine? I have my opinion, and everyone in this page have their opinion, too.  
Opinions, not statements of facts. 

Edited August 20, 2024 by .I.

[Dlcorbett]

Tbh, when lincoln said that their customer base didn't want hybrization, my first thought was who...?  Every owner in forums or comments said a hybrid added would make them a repeat customer.  Too early to tell, but I do think not adding that at release instead of a slow rollout was a mistake, but ford/lincoln has always done this.

 

Regardless, I'm still excited about the product.  Hopefully, the continued testing helps them tune it to drive competively.

[rmc523]

I think it's just code for "it's not ready yet".....I'd imagine we'll see it soon enough.

 

There is talk of some more coming that hasn't been unveiled yet.....could be a closer to launch thing or something related to Expedition's reveal.

[Andrew L]

3 hours ago, Dlcorbett said:

Tbh, when lincoln said that their customer base didn't want hybrization, my first thought was who...?  Every owner in forums or comments said a hybrid added would make them a repeat customer.  Too early to tell, but I do think not adding that at release instead of a slow rollout was a mistake, but ford/lincoln has always done this.

 

Regardless, I'm still excited about the product.  Hopefully, the continued testing helps them tune it to drive competively.

 

I think it was electrification not hybrid. They put their pure EVs on hold.

[joseodiaga4]

3 hours ago, rmc523 said:

I think it's just code for "it's not ready yet".....I'd imagine we'll see it soon enough.

 

There is talk of some more coming that hasn't been unveiled yet.....could be a closer to launch thing or something related to Expedition's reveal.

I don't know if I am being naive but I still hope to see some surprises haha at least the hybrid.

[Ares]

Now that we have an updated Navigator, I’m gonna predict that the next move for Lincoln is Corsair getting a heavy refresh within the next year or two, followed by a heavier Aviator update (which I think will stay on CD6 with the Explorer). This will complete their lineup with the large screens and updated exterior/interior styling.

 

But for now, I think Lincoln will focus on a promotion run for the Navigator and Nautilus, possibly introducing a hybrid sooner or later like many here are hoping.

[tbone]

17 hours ago, Dlcorbett said:

Tbh, when lincoln said that their customer base didn't want hybrization, my first thought was who...?  Every owner in forums or comments said a hybrid added would make them a repeat customer.  Too early to tell, but I do think not adding that at release instead of a slow rollout was a mistake, but ford/lincoln has always done this.

 

Regardless, I'm still excited about the product.  Hopefully, the continued testing helps them tune it to drive competively.

Yeah, I don’t believe that for a second.  That’s a disingenuous statement considering most people would want more power and better fuel economy.  

[fuzzymoomoo]

On 8/18/2024 at 8:34 AM, joseodiaga4 said:

Btw there is a one new feature that we haven’t seen and there is not much info about: Turn signal view

 

Other new driver-assist features for Navigator include Turn Signal View, which projects a camera view of the adjacent lane on the 48-inch panoramic display when the turn signal is engaged

Sounds like another fancy electronic gizmo that doesn’t add anything except yet another thing that can fail to me. 

[AM222]

On 8/19/2024 at 11:48 PM, .I. said:

2025 Cadillac Escalade: 420 HP

2025 Cadillac Escalade V: 682 HP

 

The top-of-the-line Navigator’s engine is weak compared with the top-of-the-line Escalade engine 

 

Facts.

Check it 

Cadillac's "V-series" is a performance variant. It's like comparing a top 420hp Silverado to the 720hp F150 Raptor R. 

Lincoln is going for a more traditional "quiet luxury" image, so no "AMG" or "M" style high-performance model which Cadillac has been emulating.

Edited August 21, 2024 by AM222

[rmc523]

3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

Sounds like another fancy electronic gizmo that doesn’t add anything except yet another thing that can fail to me. 

 

I mean, it's using tech that's already there (screen and cameras for 360 view), so why not have it?

 

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I wonder if this setup will display the images for both sides directly in front of the driver, or if it'll be at the outermost portion on each side of the screen near the mirror (similar to how Euro companies put the screens inside in place of mirrors)?

[Dlcorbett]

I'm surprised there's not even an image of it on the sight

[joseodiaga4]

 

[Chrisgb]

I turn my head and look out the window (left lane change) or out the right windows (right lc). I get a full color, realtime view. I wish automakers would stop installing tech for its own sake and figuring out more ways to look at the dashboard.

 

[SoonerLS]

I’m not a fan of the big ol’ sail panels under the headlights. They’ve done the same thing on the Maverick; to my surprise, I didn’t hate it in one of the colors on the Lobo, but I haven’t seen it in a color on the Navigator that I don’t dislike. 

[Andrew L]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:21 AM, T-dubz said:

 

here’s the TFL video. 

The dash is really low and the screen is far back. I guess that’s done to not interfere with the view of the road and still allow you to see the screens. Not having the screen or gauges directly behind the wheel is gonna take some getting used to. Just looks like something is missing. I think I like the position of the center screen better in the expedition since it’s a bit higher up, but my opinion might change after we see actual production photos.

 

i think my favorite new feature is the tailgate. Like Andre demonstrates in the video, opening only the top section allows you to access the rear without having anything fall out. This comes in handy if you’ve parked on an incline or if groceries got moved around when driving. You won’t have cans or jars accidentally rolling out. Having a tailgate to sit on that’s also covered is nice.

I’ve been a fan of the jet appearance package since it came out and this one doesn’t disappoint. Really like that color. The black label looks nice. It always has nice leather but I especially like this one. Wish the copper accents looked more like copper. Even after he pointed it out, it was still hard to see. 24” wheels are crazy but they look good.

 

The biggest zonk of this new navigators interior that I haven’t seen mentioned elsewhere is the ac vents being controlled digitally. Did anyone ask for this feature? Why overcomplicate something that’s so simple? I also don’t understand the rejuvenate mode. Both seem like a waste of development costs.

 

Finally got around to watching this, I see they added 3rd row heated seats which is great that was on my list of things that should be added, I think the BWM X7 has this feature so nice to see them add this.

[blwnsmoke]

On 8/21/2024 at 5:47 AM, fuzzymoomoo said:

Sounds like another fancy electronic gizmo that doesn’t add anything except yet another thing that can fail to me. 

I test drove a g70 that had this and ots an awesome feature.  You can see your entire blind spot on your dash without having to turn your head.  Even better when you are on an onramp with a car in front worrying if they will speed up or slow down..  not having to turn your head from your forward view is great.

 

I had sent this to the platform manage of the Explorer as this should be standard on every vehicle with digital display and interior redesigns.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2024 by blwnsmoke

[rmc523]

On 8/23/2024 at 9:33 PM, Andrew L said:

 

Finally got around to watching this, I see they added 3rd row heated seats which is great that was on my list of things that should be added, I think the BWM X7 has this feature so nice to see them add this.

 

Yes, the X7 does have it (and its own air conditioner - temp and fan - and sunroof lol).

[Dlcorbett]

1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

Yes, the X7 does have it (and its own air conditioner - temp and fan - and sunroof lol).

 

Bmw and Mercedes finds ways to add content to their flagships though they don't sell at volume.  However, they also nickle amd dime you for the most desirable features.

[rmc523]

Just now, Dlcorbett said:

 

Bmw and Mercedes finds ways to add content to their flagships though they don't sell at volume.  However, they also nickle amd dime you for the most desirable features.

 

Yup, X7 has 4 zones - driver/passenger, 2nd row, and 3rd row, each zone having individual temp and fan.

[rmc523]

I finally got around to watching the TFL video posted above......I did like how they allow for individual control of the 4 front seat vents.  Teslas only allow for driver and passenger adjustment.......meaning you can only point the air vents on either side at one specific point.......If you want the air pointed at your face and chest at the same time (with one air vent each), you can't do it.....but the Navigator allows this.  In other words, the left and right vent for each position can be pointed at different spots.

[Dlcorbett]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a61984739/2025-ford-expedition-tremor-spied/

 

It's still too early, so I won't lose my optimism, but If the latest spied images of the interior and exterior are anything to go by, the nav is looking like my next purchase.

Edited August 27, 2024 by Dlcorbett